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The Movie & Story => AP Short Story & Screenplay => Topic started by: ennisandjack on Dec 25, 2005, 02:17 PM
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I'm thinking of buying the story to screenplay book and was wondering if anyone else has read it and what they thought of it. Does the book include the full story and screenplay or is it more a discussion of the challenges of changing the story into a screenplay. Just curious because I'm thinking of buying this. I already have the story so I'm hoping this book has the full screenplay.
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I'm thinking of buying the story to screenplay book and was wondering if anyone else has read it and what they thought of it. Does the book include the full story and screenplay or is it more a discussion of the challenges of changing the story into a screenplay. Just curious because I'm thinking of buying this. I already have the story so I'm hoping this book has the full screenplay.
I want to buy the screenplay book too. Not sure if it has the full screenplay. Have you found anything from bookstores somewhere?
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I want to buy the screenplay book too. Not sure if it has the full screenplay. Have you found anything from bookstores somewhere?
I bought the short story in paperback book form from a local bookstore. They didn't have the story to screenplay book though so I'd have to order it in, which is why I'm curious what's in it. I probably will just buy it though just to have it and be able to read the actual screenplay.
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Here are two reviews from Amazon on the From story to screenplay book
"Both the story and screenplay will move you to tears, make you feel like somebody's pulling your guts out hand over hand a yard at a time, as Annie Proulx writes of Ennis. They will also make you treasure love more. Proulx's prose is pure poetry. The screenplay is one of the best I've read -- a terrific read and a faithful adaptation and expansion. If you're interested in delving deeper into the lives and loves of these characters and the starkly beautiful honesty of this world, buy this book. The screenplay and the essays by Annie Proulx and the two screenwriters, Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, offer a good deal of insight and color, from the germ of an idea for a short story to final film. Fascinating and powerful. Strongly recommended."
"This little volume contains Annie Proulx's original short story version of BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN as it appeared in The New Yorker in 1997 along with the screenplay to Ang Lee's film by Larry McMurtry (The Last Picture Show, Terms of Endearment) and Diana Ossana. The screenwriters retained much of the spareness, tension, and overt and threatened violence of the original story. They even incorporate much of Proulx's unfilmable descriptions in between the characters' speeches (perhaps as cues for method actors). The biggest change from story to screen seems to be the expanded roles of the women in the men's lives--the wives, girlfriends (created from whole cloth), and Ennis's daughter, Alma Jr. This seems justified, given that the story takes place over twenty years, a period in which both main characters, Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar, carried out a spotty love affair but constructed their public lives according to more conventional mores. Ennis's love of his daughters is, we feel, genuine and not a substitution or consolation prize. And the fact that she can see her father's loneliness only adds to the pathos of his situation.
Each writer contributes an essay about their experience bringing this story to the big screen. Proulx's "Getting Movied" was especially thoughtful and generous. The volume would have been nicely served, however, had Ang Lee contributed an Introduction. If you're a movie credits geek, this book concludes with the entire closing credits, including the sheep wrangler and bear trainer. Also includes 8 pages of black and white photos from the film.
A nice souvenir for anyone who loves the movie and wants to study it more closely."
I am going to order one for myself. :)
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:-[ The book is pre-order at bn.com. won't be available until 12/28
(http://www.simonsays.com/assets/isbn/0743294165/C_0743294165.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/0743294165&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325)
The book is also available at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/0743294165&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325) for $10.88
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Thanks for the info! I'm definitely getting the book especially now that I know it includes pics :)
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There are 2 used copies on amazon.co.UK £68 minimum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could not believe it. I'll wait and see, but I know I'll buy it when it comes out officially
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I'm def. getting the screen play..the only problem is that I dont have a creditcard and I'm sure you can't find it at any book stores here in Denmark :( Hmmm...that sucks..
Can you get it online somewhere ? As download I mean...
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Can you get it online somewhere ? As download I mean...
Not yet :-[...and believe me...i've been looking everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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I'm thinking of buying the story to screenplay book and was wondering if anyone else has read it and what they thought of it. Does the book include the full story and screenplay or is it more a discussion of the challenges of changing the story into a screenplay. Just curious because I'm thinking of buying this. I already have the story so I'm hoping this book has the full screenplay.
Yes, the book includes the full story and the entire original screenplay. As I mentioned in another thread, it also contains 3 wonderful essays from the authors and some black and white photos.
I fully recommend buying this. The screenplay is complete, although has some differences with some of the final movie scenes and lines. These differences give us some wonderful insights into how the whole thing evolved.
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I'm thinking of buying the story to screenplay book and was wondering if anyone else has read it and what they thought of it. Does the book include the full story and screenplay or is it more a discussion of the challenges of changing the story into a screenplay. Just curious because I'm thinking of buying this. I already have the story so I'm hoping this book has the full screenplay.
Yes, the book includes the full story and the entire original screenplay. As I mentioned in another thread, it also contains 3 wonderful essays from the authors and some black and white photos.
I fully recommend buying this. The screenplay is complete, although has some differences with some of the final movie scenes and lines. These differences give us some wonderful insights into how the whole thing evolved.
So, it includles the original Dead Line, Ltd. publication of Annie Proulx's story, too? I will have to wait before I can buy the screenplay version of the story. Us folks on poverty level and fixed-retirement income only have so much money for entertainment purposes each month.
In my Gay-Members-Onlly BbM Yahoo Group, I do plan to show the differences between the original Annie Proulx story and the screenplay version of BbM. I do some of the comparisons now with what I remember from seeing the movie and reading the paperback book, too. While the paperback book might be called "soft-cover" since it is not a cloth-covered bound book like higher priced books, the cover of the book is made from very stiff card stock which is different from most paperback book covers.
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So, it includles the original Dead Line, Ltd. publication of Annie Proulx's story, too? I will have to wait before I can buy the screenplay version of the story. Us folks on poverty level and fixed-retirement income only have so much money for entertainment purposes each month.
In my Gay-Members-Onlly BbM Yahoo Group, I do plan to show the differences between the original Annie Proulx story and the screenplay version of BbM. I do some of the comparisons now with what I remember from seeing the movie and reading the paperback book, too. While the paperback book might be called "soft-cover" since it is not a cloth-covered bound book like higher priced books, the cover of the book is made from very stiff card stock which is different from most paperback book covers.
Hello TJ. Hope you can browse the Story to Screenplay book in one of the bookstores. There are very interesting differences between the story (as is published in 'Close Range'), the screenplay, and the final film. Some of these differences are posted in various threads in the forum. Hopefully, more discussion of the interesting differences come up in the near future.
In my opinion, the screenplay is as much of a work of art as the story. The screenplay is not as visceral, but nonetheless beautifully done.
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The book also has nice articles by Proulx and the screen writers. I really enjoy having it.
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I've noticed: Ennis's second daughter "Francine" in the book is "Jenny" in the film.
Just a detail. A collateral damage of my PBS ;D
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I've noticed: Ennis's second daughter "Francine" in the book is "Jenny" in the film.
Just a detail. A collateral damage of my PBS ;D
I've heard other people say that her name was Jenny. where do you get this information? I thought she was referred to as Frannie. Interisting...
Jim
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I have a copy of "Close Range" and bought the "Story to Screenplay" so I could read the screenplay. The added essays, as has been mentioned, are very good especially Annie Proulx's "Getting Movied".
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I've noticed: Ennis's second daughter "Francine" in the book is "Jenny" in the film.
Just a detail. A collateral damage of my PBS ;D
I've heard other people say that her name was Jenny. where do you get this information? I thought she was referred to as Frannie. Interisting...
Jim
In the french translation her name is Francine. I also downloaded the story in english (I can't remember where) and...
A little copy/paste:
"The door opened again a few inches and Alma stood in the narrow light.
What could he say? "Alma, this is Jack Twist, Jack, my wife Alma." His chest was heaving. He could smell Jack -- the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain. "Alma," he said, "Jack and me ain't seen each other in four years." As if it were a reason. He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her.
"Sure enough," said Alma in a low voice. She had seen what she had seen. Behind her in the room lightning lit the window like a white sheet waving and the baby cried.
"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them.
"Two little girls," Ennis said. "Alma Jr. and Francine. Love them to pieces." Alma's mouth twitched."
Also on "Characters and Quotes" see the topic"Jack Jnr and Francine"
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I've noticed: Ennis's second daughter "Francine" in the book is "Jenny" in the film.
Just a detail. A collateral damage of my PBS ;D
I've heard other people say that her name was Jenny. where do you get this information? I thought she was referred to as Frannie. Interisting...
Jim
In the french translation her name is Francine. I also downloaded the story in english (I can't remember where) and...
A little copy/paste:
"The door opened again a few inches and Alma stood in the narrow light.
What could he say? "Alma, this is Jack Twist, Jack, my wife Alma." His chest was heaving. He could smell Jack -- the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain. "Alma," he said, "Jack and me ain't seen each other in four years." As if it were a reason. He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her.
"Sure enough," said Alma in a low voice. She had seen what she had seen. Behind her in the room lightning lit the window like a white sheet waving and the baby cried.
"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them.
"Two little girls," Ennis said. "Alma Jr. and Francine. Love them to pieces." Alma's mouth twitched."
Also on "Characters and Quotes" see the topic"Jack Jnr and Francine"
Thanks for the quote Pierre. I am trying to find information on "Jenny" Any ideas?
Jim
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ABSOLUTELY buy this book - it contains the full original story, the full screenplay (although not the actual final version of every line filmed), and three essays, a wonderful one by Proulx on being a writer, one by McMurtry and one by Ossana. Essential stuff for any BBM fan.
btb
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Buy the book. You'll love it.
Jim
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Yes. I bought Close Range, From Story to Screenplay, soundtrack and others with BBM imaginable. Magazines with BBM on the covers.
I bought them for gifts and I am patiently waiting for DVD to come out so I can buy a bunch.
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If I might divert the thread a little, your comment, Ethan is one I've had rolling around in my head for a while - I'm actually considering buying TONS of the BBM DVD (and maybe books) and giving them to every single person I know. You certainly aren't alone in that, so I wonder if it's just us two, or..
Is anyone else planning to give this movie to a huge number of people when it comes out on DVD?
btb
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If I might divert the thread a little, your comment, Ethan is one I've had rolling around in my head for a while - I'm actually considering buying TONS of the BBM DVD (and maybe books) and giving them to every single person I know. You certainly aren't alone in that, so I wonder if it's just us two, or..
Is anyone else planning to give this movie to a huge number of people when it comes out on DVD?
btb
I will buy BBM's DVD as a present to a couple of my dear friends...
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More powerful than my words- clic here (http://www.theage.com.au/news/film/more-powerful-than-my-words/2006/02/03/1138836410496.html?page=fullpage#)
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Just got the Screenplay book today.
Love AP's essay!!!
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proulxfan, I knew you would.
have you listened to her audio interview on 'Bookworm'?
It's about 30 minutes, realplayer, and well worth it. She has a lot to say about the writing, the characters, and the movie (she loved Jake's Jack, even though it differed from her conception, and she was frightened by Ledger because he got deeper into Ennis and deeper into her head than she ever had.)
http://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/ram_wrap.cgi?/bw/bw060119Annie_Proulx
btb
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There are three books avaliable
Story to Screenplay (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/0743294165&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325) is a great one - includes Proulx’s short story, McMurtry and Ossana’s screenplay and essays from all three on the process of adapting the story for the screen. I highly recommend this book. There is also a topic about this HERE (http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=129.0)
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0743294165.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
Brokeback Mountain: Now a Major Motion Picture (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/0743271327&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325)
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There is an audible version (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/B000CNFAB4&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325) available.
The LINK (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&path=external-search%3Fsearch-type=ss%26index=blended%26keyword=brokeback%20mountain) will bring you to Amazon for complete list of Brokeback Mountain products including the soundtrack, short story and others.
Close Range (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/0684852225&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325) is the book written by Annie Proulx which contains the short story of BBM.
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Is there a thread for the audio version (read by Campbell Scott)? I found it underwhelming, sad to say. I could still listen to it (it's Proulx, and our boys, after all), but his reading of it sure lacked the spark it needed. Having seen the movie, I really wanted to hear the power of those voices. JMHO
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Have pre-ordered it on Amazon!!!
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Froggie,
You won't regret it, but have tissues handy when you get to the part where Jack visits Ennis after getting the postcard about Ennis's divorce; it is more wrenching than what you see in the film, and of course it was only a clause in one sentence in the original. And as noted earlier, AP's essay: " Getting Movied", was worth the price of admission-IMHO-all by itself.
Backtobrokeback,
Yes I listened to the interview last week. Our Annie is priceless isn't she? I would love to hear her talk about the other stories in Close Range, and of course I'm still looking for a Wyoming dialect phrase dictionary...
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Froggie,
You won't regret it, but have tissues handy
I will.... ;)
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You mean this part, right after the capitalized DECEASED?
He called Jack's number in Childress, something he had done only once before when Alma divorced him and Jack had misunderstood the reason for the call, had driven twelve hundred miles north for nothing. This would be all right, Jack would answer, had to answer. But he did not.
:'( :'(
It's hard to watch in the movie, but you almost go right over it here - she's moved it to a later point, as she did with the explanation of the reason for the sucker punch Jack got on Brokeback.
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Froggy, I was about to order from Amazon, you want me to order one for you & I'll ship it to UK? No sweats for me.
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That is a great resource! I devoured mine.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Finally got mine!!!
I'll post yours next week little sis ;)
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Finally got mine!!!
I'll post yours next week little sis ;)
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Finally got mine!!!
I'll post yours next week little sis ;)
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Yup! me too but ???
I cannot believe it's 68 pounds in U.K. ???
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Yup! me too but ???
I cannot believe it's 68 pounds in U.K. ???
It's because it has not be published in the uk yet!!!
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Yup! me too but ???
I cannot believe it's 68 pounds in U.K. ???
It's because it has not be published in the uk yet!!!
??? It's not a third world country... Whatever, shut up chameau :-X
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Atlast i got a copy of this book for myself.........guess what.......the cover is same as what ethan has mentioned here. Now i can hug the book & sleep!.......
I was so pleased & amased........... that movie - had almost same dialogues as in book. While reading - the movie was running in my mind - background.
Beautiful story - thanx Annie
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Atlast i got a copy of this book for myself.........guess what.......the cover is same as what ethan has mentioned here. Now i can hug the book & sleep!.......
I was so pleased & amased........... that movie - had almost same dialogues as in book. While reading - the movie was running in my mind - background.
Beautiful story - thanx Annie
Wonderful, bbmlover. The book is a keeper.
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Froggie,
You won't regret it, but have tissues handy when you get to the part where Jack visits Ennis after getting the postcard about Ennis's divorce; it is more wrenching than what you see in the film, and of course it was only a clause in one sentence in the original. And as noted earlier, AP's essay: " Getting Movied", was worth the price of admission-IMHO-all by itself.
Backtobrokeback,
Yes I listened to the interview last week. Our Annie is priceless isn't she? I would love to hear her talk about the other stories in Close Range, and of course I'm still looking for a Wyoming dialect phrase dictionary...
Hi Proulxfan, I agree with you 100% about the part when Jack goes to see Ennis after his divorce; totally heartbreaking when seen written on the page, so stark but so effecting. Can almost taste the disappointment and heartbreak from Jack, and the inevitable rejection from Ennis. I actually got more from it seen written down than I did on watching it, and I LOVE this film more than any other! It's so good to have the screenplay with me at all times, I'm forever dipping into it when I need a Brokeback fix, as soon as I open a page, any page, it takes me back to Brokeback, to Ennis and Jack, and I'm happy, for a short while....just like them! :'( :'(
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I haven't got the "Story to Screenplay" book yet, but, I did find a .pdf copy of the screenplay.
I have found a lot of changes in the screenplay adaptation by Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana. I bought the stand-alone BbM paperback book on the last Friday of December and I saw the movie on Jan. 6.
Some of the stuff in the screenplay which is in the book is not in the movie's actual script.
In the original story, Ennis droke a truck to Joe Aguirre's office in Signal. And, while the guys are up on Brokeback, Ennis tells Jack that his brother, K.E., lives in Signal.
In the copy of the screenplay which I have where Ennis is riding with a trucker, Ennis does not even know when he has arrived at Signal.
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from near the beginning of this thread:
> "This little volume contains Annie Proulx's original short story version of BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
> as it appeared in The New Yorker in 1997 along with the screenplay ...
A slight error here, and scanning over this thread I didn't see it corrected, so I'll
correct it. The New Yorker story did not have the two italicized paragraphs
that begin the story in this book. They were added when the author put
together the book of short stories, 'Close Range', that includes Brokeback Mountain.
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from near the beginning of this thread:
> "This little volume contains Annie Proulx's original short story version of BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
> as it appeared in The New Yorker in 1997 along with the screenplay ...
A slight error here, and scanning over this thread I didn't see it corrected, so I'll
correct it. The New Yorker story did not have the two italicized paragraphs
that begin the story in this book. They were added when the author put
together the book of short stories, 'Close Range', that includes Brokeback Mountain.
In what year was "Close Range" originally published? The New Yorker Magazine published it in 1997. And, the stand-alone paperback with the italicized paragraphs has it that what is in the paperback was copyrighted by Dead Line, Ltd. in 1997, too.
Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana read the magazine edition of the story first. And, they apparently based what they wrote on what was in the magazine.
Those ITALICIZED paragraphs make the whole story a flashback. And that "flashback" shows that Ennis Del Mar never quit his job at the Stoutamire ranch and he never put the shirts in a closet.
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I'm not sure exactly what you[re disputing, but I will try to find the date of
publication of Close Range. Just to narrow it down for comparison, the New
Yorker story was published there in October, 1997.
I believe in the Annie Proulx interview available in this forum it is mentioned
that the two paragraphs were added after the New Yorker version, and I
have seen that said a couple of other places. But no, I haven't personally
looked at a copy of either the New Yorker issue or Close Range.
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Close Range was published in 1999. Here is an interesting web page (among many)
about Annie Proulx:
http://www.answers.com/topic/annie-proulx
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I've just ordered it off www.play.com , it was only £7.49 and it should be here in a few days yay! ;D Lauren x
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I've just ordered it off www.play.com , it was only £7.49 and it should be here in a few days yay! ;D Lauren x
m2 :)
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From morgan, the admin of AnnieProulx.com and its board:
the italicized version is the definitive and complete version. That is the way it was originally submitted to the New Yorker, but the fiction editor there apparently felt that the story worked better without it and/or the section should be cut to reduce the overall length of the story.
Editors! Jeez! Hands off!
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It's not true that The New Yorker removed the two italicized paragraphs. They
were added after The New Yorker publication, before the Close Range publication.
This is mentioned in the audio interview with Annie Proulx, available on this forum.
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Received "Story to Screenplay" yesterday, but only had a chance to browse a little. Am looking forward to being able to read the whole thing... it's going to be intersting to see how the screenplay developed out of the story. Guess I look at it as a step toward the final product, the film. There will have been input about each scene probably right up until shooting it. It's a much more intricate process than I imagined but fascinating. Was struck by the indefinite quality of saying only (in most cases) that the scene was day, night, afternoon letting us fill in how long it took to reach that scene in their real life. It should prove to be a most interesting read.
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Received "Story to Screenplay" yesterday, but only had a chance to browse a little. Am looking forward to being able to read the whole thing... it's going to be intersting to see how the screenplay developed out of the story. Guess I look at it as a step toward the final product, the film. There will have been input about each scene probably right up until shooting it. It's a much more intricate process than I imagined but fascinating. Was struck by the indefinite quality of saying only (in most cases) that the scene was day, night, afternoon letting us fill in how long it took to reach that scene in their real life. It should prove to be a most interesting read.
It is indeed very intersting, I loved also the artciles from Annie, Larry and Diana. I read it for the first time 2 weeks ago and I'm in the process of reading it again. Don't do like me, don't read it in the subway, I had to close the book when Ennis arrived at the Twist's house. :'(
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It's not true that The New Yorker removed the two italicized paragraphs. They
were added after The New Yorker publication, before the Close Range publication.
This is mentioned in the audio interview with Annie Proulx, available on this forum.
From morgan, the admin of AnnieProulx.com and its board:
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the italicized version is the definitive and complete version. That is the way it was originally submitted to the New Yorker, but the fiction editor there apparently felt that the story worked better without it and/or the section should be cut to reduce the overall length of the story.
Well, we'll have to ask morgan again when (and if) the AP site comes up again. He seemed pretty certain. I guess her own admin doesn't know anything.
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I've noticed: Ennis's second daughter "Francine" in the book is "Jenny" in the film.
Just a detail. A collateral damage of my PBS ;D
I've heard other people say that her name was Jenny. where do you get this information? I thought she was referred to as Frannie. Interisting...
Jim
In the french translation her name is Francine. I also downloaded the story in english (I can't remember where) and...
A little copy/paste:
"The door opened again a few inches and Alma stood in the narrow light.
What could he say? "Alma, this is Jack Twist, Jack, my wife Alma." His chest was heaving. He could smell Jack -- the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain. "Alma," he said, "Jack and me ain't seen each other in four years." As if it were a reason. He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her.
"Sure enough," said Alma in a low voice. She had seen what she had seen. Behind her in the room lightning lit the window like a white sheet waving and the baby cried.
"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them.
"Two little girls," Ennis said. "Alma Jr. and Francine. Love them to pieces." Alma's mouth twitched."
Also on "Characters and Quotes" see the topic"Jack Jnr and Francine"
I have the .pdf version of the screenplay too and I noticed this difference too.
In the screenplay, Ennis' 2 daughters have the names: Francine and Alma Jr.. In the movie they are called: Jenny and Alma Jr.
I also noticed that in the screenplay:
Lureen's last name is Phillips instead of Newsome
And her father is called L.D. instead of L.B. (as in the movie)
Does anyone know why these changes were made?
sam
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From morgan, the admin of AnnieProulx.com and its board:
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the italicized version is the definitive and complete version. That is the way it was originally submitted to the New Yorker, but the fiction editor there apparently felt that the story worked better without it and/or the section should be cut to reduce the overall length of the story.
Well, we'll have to ask morgan again when (and if) the AP site comes up again. He seemed pretty certain. I guess her own admin doesn't know anything.
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I'll listen to the audio interview again. Maybe I misunderstood what Ms. Proulx said about it.
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I'll listen to the audio interview again. Maybe I misunderstood what Ms. Proulx said about it.
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I listened to it again, and I guess I had jumped to an unintended conclusion the
first time. The interviewer said that when the story was included in the Close Range collection
it had two paragraphs that were not in the New Yorker version, and the author merely agreed.
She did not say they were written after the New Yorker publication. I made that false
assumption.
Sorry for adding confusion to what you originally posted.
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My book arrived today :)
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My book arrived today :)
Hi Esme. Enjoy reading it! It'll get you started all over again....
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It's not true that The New Yorker removed the two italicized paragraphs. They
were added after The New Yorker publication, before the Close Range publication.
This is mentioned in the audio interview with Annie Proulx, available on this forum.
Morgan, the official annieproulx.com forum moderator (before it was temporarily closed a few days ago) said that the "italicized paragraphs" at the beginning of the story which was published in books was in the ORIGINAL manuscript which Annie Proulx, or her representative, submitted to the New Yorker Magazine.
The official copyright date of the complete story is 1997 and it is by Dead Line, Ltd., Annie Proulx's official agent organization.
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I can't read your name, whether it's T3 or TJ or what, but I told you
I was going to listen to the interview again, and I did, and saw my mistake,
and made an apology. I guess you didn't see that. You were right and
I was wrong, and I thought this was settled a week or so ago.
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There are three books avaliable
Story to Screenplay (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/0743294165&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325) is a great one - includes Proulx’s short story, McMurtry and Ossana’s screenplay and essays from all three on the process of adapting the story for the screen. I highly recommend this book. There is also a topic about this HERE (http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=129.0)
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Brokeback Mountain: Now a Major Motion Picture (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/0743271327&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325)
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There is an audible version (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/B000CNFAB4&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325) available.
The LINK (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&path=external-search%3Fsearch-type=ss%26index=blended%26keyword=brokeback%20mountain) will bring you to Amazon for complete list of Brokeback Mountain products including the soundtrack, short story and others.
Close Range (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=as2&path=ASIN/0684852225&tag=brokebackmo0f-20&camp=1789&creative=9325) is the book written by Annie Proulx which contains the short story of BBM.
Thank you guys!
It's a real pleasure to read your suggestions and comments.
I've heard the wonderful real audio interview of Annie proulx. And I want to buy this book Story to screenplay. It's the birth of the dream of my life.
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Thank you guys!
It's a real pleasure to read your suggestions and comments.
I've heard the wonderful real audio interview of Annie proulx. And I want to buy this book Story to screenplay. It's the birth of the dream of my life.
Dear Corto, I'm with you...I've ordered it yesterday!!!!!!! &**)
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Thank you guys!
It's a real pleasure to read your suggestions and comments.
I've heard the wonderful real audio interview of Annie proulx. And I want to buy this book Story to screenplay. It's the birth of the dream of my life.
Dear Corto, I'm with you...I've ordered it yesterday!!!!!!! &**)
Hi welcome Giulia.
ps: I can't dload that file rof nokia 6600 :(
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I don't know where is post this but oh well...
Here are some sites of the text Story Not Screenplay though...
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Kindof sad that nobody has had anything to say about the story for a whole month!!
Wow it has been almost 10 years since I first read this story. I hope some of you will join me in celebrating on October 13 of this year, the 10-year anniversary of the story's publication.
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Kindof sad that nobody has had anything to say about the story for a whole month!!
liga eam in digitis tuis, scribe illam in tabulis cordis tui.
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liga eam in digitis tuis, scribe illam in tabulis cordis tui.
Well, thanks for that, tpe! I see that all your recent posts are in English, except for this one! I'll have to ponder the significance of that! Nice pix of Jake. I prefer Jack myself. Thanks for responding!!
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Well, thanks for that, tpe! I see that all your recent posts are in English, except for this one! I'll have to ponder the significance of that! Nice pix of Jake. I prefer Jack myself. Thanks for responding!!
You're welcome, Front-Ranger. :)
I make similar posts every now and then, when the spirit moves me, as in yesterday's appreciation I posted in the Jarhead thread...
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I've ordered the "Story to screenplay" book and received it yesterday. I am very late, I know! ;D I can't believe I've thought of buying it TWO YEARS after watching the movie for the first time...
Anyway, I don't regret it. It's a wonderful book for BBM lovers. I've only browsed the pages for now. It's like meet again an old friend in an unusual place... It's so strange to read the description of the scenes and to read the dialogues that I know by heart. Even if there are differences with the final thing.
I haven't read the short story since approximatively one year and a half. I think I will read it again to compare with the screenplay... must be interesting also.
I've read some scenes that are not in the short story (or not developed like in the movie), just to "see" how they are described. Of course it's very tough sometimes. Especially when Jack comes to see Ennis after the divorce... :_(
Well, I am both happy and scared. I know that PBS is never far from me. And I feel that this book can send me away directly in PBS land...
I hope someone will have the curiosity to stop by this thread after all these years, because I have a question : what means a beat which is written sometimes during the description? It's like a pause? ???
Thanks! :)
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I hope someone will have the curiosity to stop by this thread after all these years, because I have a question : what means a beat which is written sometimes during the description? It's like a pause? ???
Thanks! :)
Wow, been awhile since anything appeared in this thread! To answer your question, I think the idea of "a beat" is indeed a pause like you guessed, the usage comes from the beating of ones heart, so "a beat" is the time it takes for your heart make on beat. About a second or so.
:c)
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Thank you so much for your answer Jackster! :^^)
Yes, that's what I thought! ;)
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Wait until you read Diana Osana's ''Climbing Brokeback Mountain'' which relates the genesis of the screenplay & eventually the production of the movie.
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Well, I've read Annie Proulx' "Getting Movied" yesterday. It's so interesting to see the genesis of the story and her feelings about it and about the cinematographic adaptation of her writing...
Love the fact that everything began with a lonely ranch hand in a bar, and the "bitter longing" in his expression, that AP noticed.
I will read Ossana's and McMurtry texts today. :)
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Love the fact that everything began with a lonely ranch hand in a bar, and the "bitter longing" in his expression, that AP noticed.
Same here, find that fascinating and have often wondered whut happened to that guy, how would he ever know that his mere presence and actions in that old bar eventually effected so many people all around the globe.
:s)
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Same here, find that fascinating and have often wondered whut happened to that guy, how would he ever know that his mere presence and actions in that old bar eventually effected so many people all around the globe.
:s)
I would have loved to know who he is. If he knew he changed our lives for ever!