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Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 09, 2008, 09:08 AM
Expect me to attend when it finally shows:

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2008/06/09/Brokeback_Mountain_to_be_staged_as_opera/UPI-34811213014364/

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'Brokeback Mountain' to be staged as opera
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NEW YORK, June 9 (UPI) -- The New York City Opera said it is planning to stage an adaptation of Annie Proulx's short story "Brokeback Mountain."

Proulx's work about a pair of cowboys who fall in love was the basis for Ang Lee's acclaimed 2005 film, which co-starred Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger.

The New York Times said the New York City Opera has hired composer Charles Wuorinen to create an opera based on the original story.

The opera is scheduled to premiere in 2013, the newspaper said.

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 09, 2008, 09:15 AM


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/arts/music/09arts-BROKEBACKTHE_BRF.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin

‘Brokeback,’ the Opera  
Compiled by STEVEN McELROY
Published: June 9, 2008

The New York City Opera announced on Sunday that it had commissioned the Pulitzer Prize-winning composer Charles Wuorinen to create an opera based on the 1997 short story “Brokeback Mountain,” by Annie Proulx, that was the source of the Academy award-winning film of 2005, directed by Ang Lee and starring Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal. The opera is scheduled for a premiere in 2013. City Opera has commissioned Mr. Wuorinen once before, for “Haroun and the Sea of Stories,” which opened in 2004 and was based on the novel by Salman Rushdie.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: ethan on Jun 09, 2008, 12:38 PM
Is this for real?  Thanks for the news, tpe.

I have a mixed feeling on this. 2013 - five years of producing this. Wow...I hope it is gonna be good.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 09, 2008, 01:57 PM
Is this for real?  Thanks for the news, tpe.

I have a mixed feeling on this. 2013 - five years of producing this. Wow...I hope it is gonna be good.

I hope so too, Ethan!

2013 seem like a long way off, but I think they are going about this very carefully.  That's a good sign.  They want to make sure that this is something worthy of the material.

 
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 09, 2008, 03:16 PM
I'm like Ethan about this, I have mixed feelings like I cannot disassocite Gustavo's music from the story.  However I loved every show I saw at the NYCO, so a trip to N.Y. is scheduled for 2013 :)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: manhattangirl on Jun 09, 2008, 05:15 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/arts/music/09arts-BROKEBACKTHE_BRF.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin

‘Brokeback,’ the Opera  
Compiled by STEVEN McELROY
Published: June 9, 2008

The New York City Opera announced on Sunday that it had commissioned the Pulitzer Prize-winning composer Charles Wuorinen to create an opera based on the 1997 short story “Brokeback Mountain,” by Annie Proulx, that was the source of the Academy award-winning film of 2005, directed by Ang Lee and starring Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal. The opera is scheduled for a premiere in 2013. City Opera has commissioned Mr. Wuorinen once before, for “Haroun and the Sea of Stories,” which opened in 2004 and was based on the novel by Salman Rushdie.


I read the article this morning on the way to work, God, I'll be first on line to get my ticket.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 09, 2008, 06:14 PM
I read the article this morning on the way to work, God, I'll be first on line to get my ticket.

I'll be right behind you, MG!  :)

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: Lis on Jun 09, 2008, 08:00 PM

I don't know if I'm the only one but I'm very much aganist the production of this "opera". Brokeback Mountain was a landmark film and was something that, really couldn't be unmatched. To make it into an opera, just seems so..weird to me.  ???
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: manhattangirl on Jun 09, 2008, 08:17 PM
I'll be right behind you, MG!  :)



Then it's a date. :)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: Raisa on Jun 10, 2008, 02:39 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/arts/music/09arts-BROKEBACKTHE_BRF.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin

‘Brokeback,’ the Opera  
Compiled by STEVEN McELROY
Published: June 9, 2008

The New York City Opera announced on Sunday that it had commissioned the Pulitzer Prize-winning composer Charles Wuorinen to create an opera based on the 1997 short story “Brokeback Mountain,” by Annie Proulx, that was the source of the Academy award-winning film of 2005, directed by Ang Lee and starring Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal. The opera is scheduled for a premiere in 2013. City Opera has commissioned Mr. Wuorinen once before, for “Haroun and the Sea of Stories,” which opened in 2004 and was based on the novel by Salman Rushdie.


I read this news this morning from a Finnish newspaper.

Well, my first impression was comical, sorry. Jack and Ennis galloping around green fields with sheep and singing "opera style"..... ;D

Certainly this is interesting production. Let's see what it will be.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: manhattangirl on Jun 10, 2008, 04:37 AM
I didn't think Phantom of the Opera would be much of a musical. *^)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on Jun 10, 2008, 05:38 AM
I read this news this morning from a Finnish newspaper.

Well, my first impression was comical, sorry. Jack and Ennis galloping around green fields with sheep and singing "opera style"..... ;D

Certainly this is interesting production. Let's see what it will be.

 :8 :8 :8 :8 :8

sorry, but that image was too hilarious...

but you know with today's way of having opera or theater decor and stage setting...we might just get a black wall and some stones...

BUT.. we should ALL be at the premiere...
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 10, 2008, 07:48 AM
Opera can be very very dark and powerful.  It is a wonderful medium of expression -- the summit in the marriage of musci, words, and acting -- if close to the ideal.

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on Jun 10, 2008, 11:20 AM
i am with you thomas... i heard gerard mortier was along with this.. and they surely will try to make a good thing..

so.. when do we book our rooms for the premiere?  ;)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: chudleycanons on Jun 10, 2008, 01:08 PM
Hi, I'm pretty new to this forum but I have an important Brokeback issue to discuss.

So, I don't know if you've all heard, but they have already started to write 'Brokeback Mountain: The Musical'.

It is due to be out on stage in 2013 and so far they have approached actors Hugh Jackman and James Marsden to play our beloved Jack and Ennis. It will be non stop singing. That's right, that means a singing lake scene, a singing reunion scene... probably also a singing finding the shirts scene.

Personally, this news made me so angry that I was unable to construct understandable sentences for a long time. For me, no one can ever be Jack and Ennis except for Jake and Heath. I don't think I could bare to see them portrayed by anyone else. I was just wondering what you all feel about this news.

For more information about it, Google News has most of the information.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 10, 2008, 02:58 PM
We merged your thread here since we already have a discussion about this, you will find many links to recent articles.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: Raisa on Jun 11, 2008, 02:08 AM
...............
It is due to be out on stage in 2013 and so far they have approached actors Hugh Jackman and James Marsden to play our beloved Jack and Ennis. It will be non stop singing. That's right, that means a singing lake scene, a singing reunion scene... probably also a singing finding the shirts scene.

Personally, this news made me so angry that I was unable to construct understandable sentences for a long time. For me, no one can ever be Jack and Ennis except for Jake and Heath. I don't think I could bare to see them portrayed by anyone else. I was just wondering what you all feel about this news.
.......

Thanks for the news. If these rumours will come true, well, then OMG Hugh Jackman!  (t)  I must get the ticket!!!!! Five years to wait for 2013, but I can manage!

But I understand very well your feeling, that only Jake and Heath are the one and only real Jack and Ennis.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 11, 2008, 07:19 AM
i am with you thomas... i heard gerard mortier was along with this.. and they surely will try to make a good thing..

so.. when do we book our rooms for the premiere?  ;)

As soon as they become avaialble, of course!   ;D

Wouldn't it be super if some of the cast and crew attended it?

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 11, 2008, 07:26 AM
Hi, I'm pretty new to this forum but I have an important Brokeback issue to discuss.

So, I don't know if you've all heard, but they have already started to write 'Brokeback Mountain: The Musical'.

It is due to be out on stage in 2013 and so far they have approached actors Hugh Jackman and James Marsden to play our beloved Jack and Ennis. It will be non stop singing. That's right, that means a singing lake scene, a singing reunion scene... probably also a singing finding the shirts scene.

Personally, this news made me so angry that I was unable to construct understandable sentences for a long time. For me, no one can ever be Jack and Ennis except for Jake and Heath. I don't think I could bare to see them portrayed by anyone else. I was just wondering what you all feel about this news.

For more information about it, Google News has most of the information.

I am wonderding whether we are confusing 2 things here.  Prior to the news of BBM the Opera this weekend, there had been discussions of BBM made into a Musical, with Hugh Jackman and James Marsden to play the roles in the latter.  I think we discussed the latter (i.e., the Musical) sometime ago somewhere in this forum, and it was announced that Jackman and Marsden were being considered.  I have not heard anything about this recently...

But the news of BBM the Opera appears to be entirely separate, I think.  This is currently being commissioned by the NYC Opera and is scheduled to be performed in 2013.  I don't think Jackman and Marsden are being considered for the roles in this one.

chudleycanons, perhaps your news source got the 2 confused?  Or am I wrong?

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: Raisa on Jun 11, 2008, 12:29 PM

OK, opera and musical. This makes sense, 'cos I was thinking earlier I didn't know Hugh J. can sing also real opera, but I know he has been in musicals.

Anyway, interesting to see what'll come up.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 11, 2008, 03:52 PM
OK, opera and musical. This makes sense, 'cos I was thinking earlier I didn't know Hugh J. can sing also real opera, but I know he has been in musicals.

Anyway, interesting to see what'll come up.

It would be interesting to see if either one will be realized in the near future!  :)

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 11, 2008, 04:17 PM
(off topic) wasn't there a musical made from Carmen?  :s)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 11, 2008, 05:48 PM
(off topic) wasn't there a musical made from Carmen?  :s)

OT: I think so -- based on the story/opera, at the very least.  But I am not sure if it was more like an adaptation.  :)

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: Kemmer on Jun 11, 2008, 10:04 PM
NEWSFLASH!

Charles Wuorinen is working on an OPERA version of Brokeback Mountain for the New York Met.

It's scheduled dbut is in 2012.  Something to go on living for.    :cr) (t)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 11, 2008, 10:51 PM
Hi Kemmer, I merged your thread to this existing one, you will find here some very interesting links :)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 12, 2008, 07:25 AM
Thanks Kemmer.  :)

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: myprivatejack on Jun 12, 2008, 11:01 AM
I am afraid that only Lily and I will be the discordant notes - never better said… -in this concert of voices in favour of BBM opera...Of course,I know that our movie is a tragic story of impossible loves and dreams,that's implicit in many opera's "libretto";and whose greatness could be reinforced by the music's majesty as a way of remarking it.What is,if not,"La Traviatta" or "Turandot"?.
But,don't forget that these works had been created from the beginning for opera's orchestra,singers and music,in sum;BBM,not¡.In my opinion,it's a notable difference...Letting apart the fact that,for me,Jake can do as many roles in the future as he wants,he will be not only Jack Twist;but,also for me,Jack Twist ALWAYS WILL BE Jake Gyllenhaal.-and the same I could have said about Heath for a future that death has robbed to all of us...-.I don't know if all this makes sense.
And,well,maybe I'll ook like an ignorant,but...as Carmilla said,listening to two pretended Ennis and Jack singing that:-"Yooooouuuu knooooww I'm not queeeer",(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/czea/notes.gif)-"Meeeeee eeiiiitheeer",(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/jatebe/notes.gif) and the chorus repeating :-"Queeerrr,heee's noot queeer"(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e379/J34NN13/s_notes.gif) at least is...is..well,put the adjective you want¡.JMHO.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 12, 2008, 01:31 PM
If you don't mind, before movies existed, many great theater plays (ex: Othello) or novels like La dame au Camelia that became La Traviata were taken to Opera versions, that was then a great accomplishment.  Don't forget great operas like Le Nozze Figaro were first of all novels.  I worry too but I'll give it a chance... my main concern is the sheep  :s)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 12, 2008, 02:10 PM
Yes, many if not most of the great Operas started out in an entirely different medium -- like a novel, or a play, or even popular literature or poetry.

I think it depends on the skill of the composer, the production, and the singers.   The musician could make it into a totally modernist style.  Or else he could make it more popular and more accessible -- as in the style of a musical.

Whatever the case, they will probably select the singers accoridng to their singing prowess, and not for their acting talent, looks or for an appearance that is close to that given in the short story.   They will be sure to take liberties, just as Ang Lee took liberties with the original material.

The opera will certainly be different from the film and ss in many ways.  That is neither good nor bad...
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: cowgirlKt! on Jun 12, 2008, 03:49 PM
Hi all! I was on facebook and searched BBM and found some people talking about this....apparently BBM is going to be turned into an opera.....interesting....im guessing this is true?! :s)  did anyone know about this?! it says this news was added on 9th june, this monday gone.....

http://in.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idINSP4039520080609

So what do we think to this?! I guess its a way of keeping the film alive.... :)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: pierralex on Jun 12, 2008, 04:20 PM
I'm like Ethan about this, I have mixed feelings like I cannot disassocite Gustavo's music from the story.  However I loved every show I saw at the NYCO, so a trip to N.Y. is scheduled for 2013 :)

I quote. Thanks ofr the info. I really wonder about the result  :s) . What about for the FNIT and SNIT?
And who will play the elk? Keren maybe you should be candidate ;) (she was our private elk in London meeting).

2013 is good, I shall be rich at the time, with a lot of luck :P  ;D
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: myprivatejack on Jun 12, 2008, 04:41 PM
If you don't mind, before movies existed, many great theater plays (ex: Othello) or novels like La dame au Camelia that became La Traviata were taken to Opera versions, that was then a great accomplishment.  Don't forget great operas like Le Nozze Figaro were first of all novels.  I worry too but I'll give it a chance... my main concern is the sheep  :s)

Oh,no Pierre,I really DON'T mind¡ Why?... ??? I know everything you said(thanks)but don't forget either than now it's another time with another and very different and varied means of communication that made easier the identification or not with some roles.Then,opera became a kind of illustrating the fantasies that novels,the written part,open before readers.For me,I repeat,it's another time,another place,another story...;and don't deny now,please,that your feelings about the questions aren't,at least,"expectant".And,frankly,I think it's not in damage of our love for BBM,admitting that some scenes would be kind of hilarious,if not ridiculous... :*(

I quote. Thanks ofr the info. I really wonder about the result  :s) . What about for the FNIT and SNIT?
And who will play the elk? Keren maybe you should be candidate ;) (she was our private elk in London meeting).
2013 is good, I shall be rich at the time, with a lot of luck :P  ;D

 %&) Well,then,Seb,if you will be rich,maybe you will be able to buy the theatre in order to do the play like we want;with FNIT,SNIT,TNIT,elks and lots of beans... :8 

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 12, 2008, 08:17 PM
I guess we need to wipe out memories from the movie since the libretto will be writen after the short story, now the motel scene is kind of explicit in the short story compared to the movie :s) :i (t)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: Raisa on Jun 12, 2008, 08:52 PM

I admit openly that I'm not a great expert of music and opera, not at all. Just now it is difficult for me to figure out what kind of opera BBM will turn. I hope Mr. Wuorinen knows what to do and I trust his talent. For example in Finland our composers have turned Finnish novels into opera, novels that belong to our national canon, and also events or great persons in our history , and the results have been good. Modern. And our opera singers have done good work in those roles. For me it is easier to imagine BBM as musical than opera, but I guess both are possible. Maybe something very modern. (And Mr Wuorinen has Finnish ancestors. His name "Wuorinen" is Finnish)

But I repeat, my first impression is still comical. I quote MPJ
..........
And,well,maybe I'll ook like an ignorant,but...as Carmilla said,listening to two pretended Ennis and Jack singing that:-"Yooooouuuu knooooww I'm not queeeer",(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/czea/notes.gif)-"Meeeeee eeiiiitheeer",(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/jatebe/notes.gif) and the chorus repeating :-"Queeerrr,heee's noot queeer"(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e379/J34NN13/s_notes.gif) at least is...is..well,put the adjective you want¡.JMHO.
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: Raisa on Jun 12, 2008, 09:31 PM

My mind is wandering.... but I guess everything is possible.  E.g. that off-broadway production Naked Boys Singing.....

So, why not BBM opera or musical or whatever!
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on Jun 13, 2008, 01:38 AM
I admit openly that I'm not a great expert of music and opera, not at all. Just now it is difficult for me to figure out what kind of opera BBM will turn. I hope Mr. Wuorinen knows what to do and I trust his talent. For example in Finland our composers have turned Finnish novels into opera, novels that belong to our national canon, and also events or great persons in our history , and the results have been good. Modern. And our opera singers have done good work in those roles. For me it is easier to imagine BBM as musical than opera, but I guess both are possible. Maybe something very modern. (And Mr Wuorinen has Finnish ancestors. His name "Wuorinen" is Finnish)

But I repeat, my first impression is still comical. I quote MPJ

thinking about what you said...
there are more than verdi-type of operas...
i have seen some very spectaculare ones by philipp glass - not that 12 tone music is really easy.. but it sure is bale to capture tragedy in a "modern" way.
i'm getting curious...
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: myprivatejack on Jun 13, 2008, 07:10 AM
I guess we need to wipe out memories from the movie since the libretto will be writen after the short story, now the motel scene is kind of explicit in the short story compared to the movie :s) :i (t)

Then,and as I said in my former post,the question is that I'm an ignorant,even if respectful... :i  *^)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 13, 2008, 08:08 AM
thinking about what you said...
there are more than verdi-type of operas...
i have seen some very spectaculare ones by philipp glass - not that 12 tone music is really easy.. but it sure is bale to capture tragedy in a "modern" way.
i'm getting curious...

Yes, I think people should remember that opera has many many different styles, and the popular conception of upera )Italian 19th Century) represents only a small part -- although this is the part that is known by most people.

The Philip Glass trilogy is a good minimalist example. 

Britten and Szymanowski are of course 20th century gay composers who wrote opera on gay themes, and yet their music is so very different from each other.

And as Cham said, expect this to be very different from the film.  Remember that this Opera is not supposed to compete with it.

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: Raisa on Jun 13, 2008, 09:11 AM
......

And as Cham said, expect this to be very different from the film.  Remember that this Opera is not supposed to compete with it.

What tpe said! Yes!

Btw, how much are the tickets to Opera premieres? Do I need to begin to save money?  ;)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on Jun 13, 2008, 01:36 PM
good question girl!  ^f^
you know.. i just picture as ALL sitting there... a girl can dream, no?  ;)

thomas.. britten would have been great no? but yes, i see things like that...
mortier has been i austria for some time, and he always had "problems" with the most controversal pieces he wanted to do.. so it's a good sign to me..
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 13, 2008, 02:55 PM
What tpe said! Yes!

Btw, how much are the tickets to Opera premieres? Do I need to begin to save money?  ;)

It depends.  For one, it may be difficult to get individual tickets to choice premieres if you are not a subscriber for a season.  Hard but not impossible.  As to cost for a premiere, it would be more of course.  The NYC Opera will be cheeper than the Met.  I would say around 200 USD?  I am sure you can get better prices.  :)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 13, 2008, 02:56 PM
good question girl!  ^f^
you know.. i just picture as ALL sitting there... a girl can dream, no?  ;)

thomas.. britten would have been great no? but yes, i see things like that...
mortier has been i austria for some time, and he always had "problems" with the most controversal pieces he wanted to do.. so it's a good sign to me..

Yes, had Britten lived to see BBM, I am sure he would have been inspired to write something!  :)
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 13, 2008, 04:02 PM
I'd wait a few representations rather than the premiere, usually the play gets better.  By 2013 I have no clue how much could be a ticket at the NYCO but definitely cheaper than the Met. 
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 16, 2008, 08:13 AM
I'd wait a few representations rather than the premiere, usually the play gets better.  By 2013 I have no clue how much could be a ticket at the NYCO but definitely cheaper than the Met.  

I agree.  I think it will be cheaper than the Met, although I hope that demand doesn't drive the price up!  :)

Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: donnaread on Jun 17, 2008, 07:41 PM
NEWSFLASH!

Charles Wuorinen is working on an OPERA version of Brokeback Mountain for the New York Met.

It's scheduled dbut is in 2012.  Something to go on living for.    :cr) (t)

Not being an opera fan, I may make an exception for this one.  I have long thought that BBM would make an excellent musical, but I am not sure about opera.  Donna
Title: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 18, 2008, 02:38 PM
Not being an opera fan, I may make an exception for this one.  I have long thought that BBM would make an excellent musical, but I am not sure about opera.  Donna

In fact, it was also being considered for a Musical.  :)

I think it would do great as both an Opera and a Musical..

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 20, 2008, 07:41 AM
Thanks to the mod who split this discussion into its own separate thread!  :)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 20, 2008, 03:53 PM
Yup thanks to Asali  ^f^

Now I wonder if the NYCO will share this production with the Glimmerglass Festival  :s)

They use to share productions and seeing BBM the Opera at Glimmerglaass would be even better than the NYCO Theater.  I've been to Glimmerglass and it's a small opera house in the middle of nature with open windows to the night, seeing BBM there would pure magic.  Glimmerglass is located  in Cooperstown NY.

Lets hope!

In the meantime we could plan a big meet in 2013 and a full house of Brokies at the opera.   :)

BTW, the NYCO makes group prices.  :*(
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 20, 2008, 04:29 PM
Yup thanks to Asali  ^f^

Now I wonder if the NYCO will share this production with the Glimmerglass Festival  :s)

They use to share productions and seeing BBM the Opera at Glimmerglaass would be even better than the NYCO Theater.  I've been to Glimmerglass and it's a small opera house in the middle of nature with open windows to the night, seeing BBM there would pure magic.  Glimmerglass is located  in Cooperstown NY.

Lets hope!

In the meantime we could plan a big meet in 2013 and a full house of Brokies at the opera.   :)

BTW, the NYCO makes group prices.  :*(

This was actually on my mind, Cham.  And I do agree that Glimmerglass would be better, and watching BBM there would be magical.  :)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chudleycanons on Jun 22, 2008, 05:52 AM

I don't know if I'm the only one but I'm very much aganist the production of this "opera". Brokeback Mountain was a landmark film and was something that, really couldn't be unmatched. To make it into an opera, just seems so..weird to me.  ???

I totally agree with you. I think an opera will take some of the beauty and meaning from the story and I don't think I'll ever be able to make my peace at the thought of anyone other than Heath and Jake playing Ennis and Jack.
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on Jun 22, 2008, 11:03 AM
I love Opera!!! I have a big collection of Opera Cd's, and I saw great plays like "Il Trovatore", "Nabuco", "Aida" or "Carmen" here in Madrid, in the opera theater with one of best acoustic in the world.


Just thinking about BBM as a opera I get goosebumps!!! I'm so thrilled!! I can't wait!! Jesus!!!  (t) (t) (t)

Of course it have to be based on the SS and not in the film (for obvious reasons) and of course it'll have to change some things but I bet the is gonna be awesome!!  <^( <^( <^(

But how are we gonna buy the tickets? I mean, when I bought my tickets here I had to wait for 14 hours in front of the theatre because almost all tickets were season tickets, so they had very few tickets to sell to the rest of the people. I almost had to kick people's asses to get my two tickets!! So now, me living in Spain, how the hell am I gonna do it?  :-\\ :-\\ :-\\
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Jun 22, 2008, 03:53 PM
If we are a group and attend all on the same date it's very easy to do by internet directly to the NYCO website, they have rates for groups like any theater.  You need indeed a credit card but this is not a problem.  Worse case we could dispatch some New Yorker  :*( to take care of the situation directly on the spot.
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on Jun 22, 2008, 05:11 PM
Thank you so much Pierre!! We all could go together!! That'd be awesome!!  <^( <^(
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jun 23, 2008, 08:22 AM
I totally agree with you. I think an opera will take some of the beauty and meaning from the story and I don't think I'll ever be able to make my peace at the thought of anyone other than Heath and Jake playing Ennis and Jack.

Welcome, chudleycanons!  :)

As I have said previously, this work is in no way positioned to compete with the movie or the short story.  In truth, it is inspired by them.  It would have been different if this were a remake of the movie, starring different actors.  One shouldn't resent a work of art simply because it seeks to retell osmething via a different medium.

Why should opera be any different from a movie?  One can argue that when the movie was being produced, people were saying that making a movie out of it would "take some of the beauty and meaning from the story."  Whatever shortcomings the cinema version had in comparison to the visceral short story, it compensated in other totally different and wonderful ways through the medium of cinema.  The same with an opera version.

 
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Jul 03, 2008, 01:26 PM


http://music.guardian.co.uk/classical/story/0,,2288651,00.html

Films to operas

Sophie's Choice William Styron'snovel was adapted for film in 1982, starring Meryl Streep. In 2002 it was made into an opera by Nicholas Maw but it received poor reviews.

Lost Highway David Lynch's 1997 film noir was adapted as an opera by Austrian composer Olga Neuwirth in 2003. The plot focuses on a jazz musician accused of murdering his wife who transforms into another man, escapes, and seduces his wife again. The opera toured Europe and the US.

Dancer in the Dark Lars von Trier's 2000 film, which starred Björk, is being adapted into an opera by the Royal Danish Theatre. It is expected to premiere in 2010-2011.

Brokeback Mountain Charles Wuorinen is adapting Brokeback Mountain for New York City Opera, expected to debut in 2013. The 2005 film, directed by Ang Lee, starred Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal as cowboys who fall in love.

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Nov 10, 2008, 02:50 PM


:(

http://broadwayworld.com/article/Brokeback_Mountain_and_Disney_Opera_Shelved_After_Mortiers_Departure_20010101

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Brokeback Mountain and Disney Opera Shelved After Mortier's Departure
 
Monday, November 10, 2008; Posted: 01:11 PM - by BWW News Desk
 
(http://images.broadwayworld.com/upload/28746/brokeback.jpg)

Variety is reporting that due to the recent departure of City Opera Artistic Director Gerard Mortier, some upcoming opera projects will be shelved. Among them, the adaption of the film "Brokeback Mountain" and a new opera based on the life of Walt Disney, "The Perfect American".

Mortier reportedly left the organization, which like many arts organizations has been undergoing financial strain resulting in a series of layoffs, because of "budgetary constraints that would not allow him to achieve his programming goals."

Back in June, it was announced that Charles Wuorinen was commissioned to write an opera adaptation of the popular film Brokeback Mountain., the 2005 romantic drama that depicts the complex romantic and sexual relationship between two men in the West over the course of twenty years.  The film was directed by Ang Lee from a screenplay by Diana Ossana and Larry McMurtry, which they adapted from the short story "Brokeback Mountain" by Annie Proulx. The film starred the late Heath Ledger, Jake Gyllenhaal, Anne Hathaway, and Michelle Williams. Brokeback Mountain had the most nominations (eight) for the 78th Academy Awards, where it won three: Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, and Best Original Score.

Then in September, following a meeting of New York City Opera's Board of Directors Mortier, announced that City Opera would be commissioning Philip Glass to compose a new opera, The Perfect American which imaginatively explores the life and career of Walt Disney. Based on the recent novel Der König von Amerika (translated into English as The Perfect American) by Peter Stephan Jungk, the opera, which was to be presented in collaboration with Improbable, was scheduled to open City Opera's 2012-2013 season.

The world premiere of this work, the 24th opera by Philip Glass, would have honored the 75th birthday of the distinguished composer, whose association with City Opera dates back to the 1980s, when the company presented the New York premiere of his Akhnaten and recorded his Satyagraha.

Mr. Mortier had also scheduled a Philip Glass work for his inaugural 2009-2010 season when City Opera would present the landmark opera Einstein on the Beach.

Mr. Mortier reportedly hopes to take his commissions to another organization for production.

For more information on the New York City Opera, visit http://www.nycopera.com

 
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Nov 10, 2008, 02:51 PM
:(
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Nov 10, 2008, 03:05 PM
I hope this project will be resurrected in the near future.  What a disappointment...
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Nov 10, 2008, 03:10 PM
It is a big disapointment, I wonder if the composer already started to work on it.
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Nov 10, 2008, 03:13 PM
I won't be surprised if there are sketches of it...

Well, Mortier said that he will try to interest another organization, so this is not totally dead.  But I admit that this is a big setback...

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Nov 10, 2008, 03:21 PM
The problem is not that much Opera Houses are supporting creation of new plays.  Anyway, we will see.
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Nov 11, 2008, 05:20 PM
That's true.  Well, I know that Chicago for the past 10 or more years has commissioned a new opera each year from a different American Composer.  I suspect that San Francisco might be interested, don't you think?
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Nov 11, 2008, 05:22 PM
The Met, Chicago, San Francisco and the NYCO are the only ones I could see
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Nov 11, 2008, 05:27 PM
But if only they can convince their subscribers that they want to see this opera.  That's why I think San Francisco might do better than NY or here, because of the strong gay subscriber presence there...

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Nov 11, 2008, 05:28 PM
That's a good point
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Nov 11, 2008, 05:50 PM
I won't be surprised if the project gets resurrected in the West Coast someday.  :)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Nov 11, 2008, 06:00 PM
or in Wyoming?  ;D
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Nov 11, 2008, 06:05 PM
or in Wyoming?  ;D

 ;D  We wish!

I'm not sure if they have an opera house in Riverton.  Wouldn't it be neat if they actually staged the opera in such a place?

I'd consider going...

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Nov 11, 2008, 06:08 PM
me too! :P
Title: Madrid: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Apr 23, 2009, 08:59 AM
"Brokeback Mountain" becomes an opera
The premiere is scheduled for June 2013 in Madrid's Teatro Real.
Juan Antonio Muñoz H., El Mercurio Tuesday, April 21, 2009 

http://www.emol.com/noticias/ingles/detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=354647

Excerpt:

SANTIAGO.- When the film "Brokeback mountain" (Ang Lee, 2005) premiered, it led to a heated debate about the subjects being tackled by mass film industry. The winning of more than 45 awards -including three Oscars (Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay and Best Original Score) and the Golden Lion from the Venice Film Festival (Best Film)- was supported by an indisputable success in movie theaters. Its main characters, Ennis del Mar and Jack Twist, were considered as tragic heroes immersed in a hostile world and the actors, Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, became sex symbols without frontiers.



Now a new step is being given in dealing with love between men due to the fact that Gérard Mortier, artistic director of the New York City Opera, commissioned an opera about this subject to composer Charles Wuorinen. It should have premiered on that theater's stage, but the composer himself explains: "Mortier had a rift with the theater and left. He is now working at the Teatro Real in Madrid. And 'Brokeback mountain' will make its debut there in June 2013".



Based on a novella by Annie Proulx (1935), the opera is about the love story of Ennis and Jack, two cowboys who fall in love with each other during the summer of 1963, and it will also deal with homosexuality as a taboo subject in the heartland of America during the '60's. A complex and intense relationship intermittently maintained for over two decades. As Ennis is incapable of accepting the situation, his stance leads to unsatisfied lives and unchains the tragedy.



Charles Wuorinen (1938) became in 1970 the youngest composer to receive the Pulitzer Prize for his electronic work, "Time's Encomium". Since then, he has composed over 250 works, including his acclaimed opera, "Haroun and the Sea of Stories", based on Salman Rushdie's novel (New York, 2004). From the United States, the inflections of his voice reveal how much he has thought about his new effort and the decisions he has had to take in order to treat such a delicate matter in a clear and coherent way.



—How have you dealt with the story of "Brokeback mountain"? Is your opera based on Annie Proulx's story or on Ang Lee's film? Will people see the characters of the film on this occasion on an opera stage?



—Annie Proulx herself wrote the libretto which is already finished. I feel it does not bear much relation to the film. It has the same characters, but unlike the story, however, women play a slightly bigger part in it, as in the film. But I have not contacted Ang Lee and I have contacted Annie Proulx. I just finished working with her when she came recently to Nueva York to add the last touches.



—In what way will you deal, from a musical and theatrical point of view, with the love scenes between Jack and Ennis? One thing is to talk about the love of a man for another man and something quite different is a man having sex with another man.



—There will be no sex scenes on the stage in my opera. The love scenes have a dialogue and they are going to be sung. And the musical staging will reflect what they are saying and the emotions that may be read between the lines. There is a moment where there is a musical interlude; they will not be visible then, but they are making love.



—Have you thought about what this kind of experience will be for the public? People who go to the opera are not used to seeing love scenes between men …



—Well, they will have to get used to it.



Interior monologues



—Another important issue in "Brokeback Mountain" is loneliness. How can that loneliness be described through music?



—Music is not description, it is gestures. When there are words, suggestion becomes reality, description.



—In the story and in the film there are many unspoken situations. Silence is therefore very important …



—There are some silences scheduled in the libretto, but one has to take into account that there are no close-ups in an opera stage and that everything is at a distance from the public; therefore, there must exist interior monologues of the characters and we do have them. The score includes fragments where the main characters and also some secondary characters tell us what they are thinking, what they are feeling. That will never exist in movies because there’s no need for it; movies have other ways of showing what goes on inside someone’s mind. What we have done in the opera is to transfer those feelings to their mouths, thus making it more direct.



—The love between Jack and Ennis is a special love because one of them is always disappearing. It is a love that is maintained without the other partner…



—Well, it disappears because Ennis is not willing to fully commit himself in the relationship. It is Ennis who finally takes the fatal choice of not leaving his farm, of not going with Jack and starting a new life with him. That is the basis of the tragedy. There is loneliness, as you said, but the most important thing there is love. We have a very touching scene at the end when Ennis finds out that Jack is dead. He holds Jack's bloodied shirt in his hands and talks to it on his way home. But it is already too late. It is only then that he realizes that he can no longer do anything and that he never told him what he always wanted to.



Young singers and good actors
 
—Have you got a clear picture about the voices the main characters will have?



—I have a pretty clear picture about it. Jack will be a lyric tenor. Ennis is a bass-baritone with several spoken parts. He only sings in some passages. There is a quite marked difference between the two personalities.



—Have you thought about any singers for these roles?



—I have some in mind, but it is too soon to give out their names. To tell you the truth, I have definitely specific people in mind for the two main characters and also for one or two of the secondary roles. But I would not like to give out their names because I have only thought about them and we haven’t yet contacted them.



—But would they be well-known singers or young singers?



—I generally prefer young singers, especially for this opera. We need artists who bear some resemblance to the role and who are capable of acting. We cannot have some 70-year old singer.



—And what about the female characters? The wives…



—Their role in the opera will naturally be less important than that of the main characters. I know their vocal types, it’s something I’ve already decided on, but I have not decided on any particular singer.



—What kind of orchestra have you considered for your work?



—I think it will be a standard-size orchestra, which is slightly smaller than an orchestra for a large symphony. It will probably consist of 80 musicians instead of a 100.



"Mass audiences are not interested in serious things"



—One tends to think nowadays that the creation of contemporary music distances itself from mass audiences. Do you agree with this opinion?



—Yes, it is true. But all serious art is distanced from mass audiences.



—Why?



—Because mass audiences are not interested in serious things. Serious art, of any kind, but specially music, requires an effort from its audience. You have to pay attention, have a certain education, know something, develop a taste for it … And most people don’t do that, they’re not interested. What you compromise in order to obtain mass audiences immediately becomes very superficial entertainment.



—When people talk about opera, they think about a melody. Can there be opera without melody? ...

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on Apr 24, 2009, 02:30 AM
oh thomas thank you so much....  ^f^
this sounds very reasonable and positive, i am glad.
is there a second part? or did i miss it? when he talks about the music... i just deeply hope it's not too schoenberg...

so. this means a World Get Together for ennisjack in madrid, june 2013...  ;) :clap:
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Apr 24, 2009, 06:06 PM
oh thomas thank you so much....  ^f^
this sounds very reasonable and positive, i am glad.
is there a second part? or did i miss it? when he talks about the music... i just deeply hope it's not too schoenberg...

so. this means a World Get Together for ennisjack in madrid, june 2013...  ;) :clap:

What a great idea, tizi!  We should propose it.  Thanks!!!  :)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on Apr 24, 2009, 10:14 PM
What he said :)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Apr 27, 2009, 07:34 AM
I'll PM Tammy about this thread -- just in case...

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on Apr 28, 2009, 01:51 AM
good idea thomas.. we can't start early enough...
wow! i can picture that.... :clap:
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Apr 28, 2009, 09:47 AM
good idea thomas.. we can't start early enough...
wow! i can picture that.... :clap:

I am definitely looking forward to such a meeting! 

And we can all dress up as cowboys/cowgirls!   ;D  :)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: myprivatejack on Apr 28, 2009, 10:49 AM
I am definitely looking forward to such a meeting! 

And we can all dress up as cowboys/cowgirls!   ;D  :)

It's a beautiful idea,Thomas¡ I'm really very moved that the opera about BBM will be released in Spain¡(it's not Barcelona,in the Liceo,but it's the same...).Long time waiting,however... :)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Apr 28, 2009, 12:39 PM
It's a beautiful idea,Thomas¡ I'm really very moved that the opera about BBM will be released in Spain¡(it's not Barcelona,in the Liceo,but it's the same...).Long time waiting,however... :)

Yes, I really wish it would have been  much much sooner!

Perhaps we can plan a Barcelona meet before this!  ;)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on Apr 30, 2009, 05:09 AM
God, I am so thrilled about this!!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:  &**) &**) &**) I know, I know, still a long way till we get there, but, hell, I was so worried thinking that I’d have to cross the pond to go and see BBM The Opera there, but, OH MY GOD  , it will be here!!  (t) (t) (t) (t) I can’t believe it!!!

The Teatro Real is one of the greatest Opera theater in the world. It has one of the best acoustic boxes in the whole world, with 21 metres high. There is a part in the stalls called “The Paradise”. It was a famous opera composer who gave the name to that part of the stalls, because he said that the sound was so perfect there that it seemed that you were in the Paradise. I saw “Il Trovatore” and “Carmen” there, and I can’t agree more.

Also the Theatre owns a Goya you can visit in one of its halls. All the carpets and tapestries are hand made, and the columns are made of beautiful ebony.

And the famous, really gorgeous restaurant inside displays the original wardrobe of operas like “Aida”. And the food is yummy, yeah... <^( <^( <^( <^(

I am very curious about the libretto, though I know that it’ll be great since Annie was the one writing it. But I am truly interested in finding out what the music will be like. About the stringed instruments, it will be all violins and stuff or it’ll have Classical and Spanish guitars too? I mean, the score will be based in Middle West music like Gustavo S’s compositions? And no, I am not talking about country music, but just about guitars. I know that “Aranjuez’s concert” is not an Opera, but the mix or guitars and violins is just breathtaking, and I wonder if we’ll hear something like that here.

And, of course, my home is home of every brokie out there, so you all are very welcome here.  ^f^
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Apr 30, 2009, 08:18 AM
Thanks Tammy.  I am also looking forward to this, and to watch it in Madrid.  :)

Not so sure how the music will shape uo.  For all we know, it could develop along more contemporary avant-garde lines, which may not be everyopne's cup of teas.  Then again, it might be more like a modern-day musical, in the sense that therer may be spoken passages along with songs that are more lyric and popular in character.

However it might develop, I would really like to see it!  :)

I hope we get news of its progress in the coming months...

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on Apr 30, 2009, 08:24 AM
Thanks Tammy.  I am also looking forward to this, and to watch it in Madrid.  :)

Not so sure how the music will shape uo.  For all we know, it could develop along more contemporary avant-garde lines, which may not be everyopne's cup of teas.  Then again, it might be more like a modern-day musical, in the sense that therer may be spoken passages along with songs that are more lyric and popular in character.

However it might develop, I would really like to see it!  :)

I hope we get news of its progress in the coming months...


Yeah, I think you could be right. I read above that Ennis part will be mostly spoken, so perhaps it'll be more like a musical, maybe saving the lyrical parts of the score for certain powerful scenes like the DE or Jack's death?

I so want to see this!!!!  <^( <^(
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on Apr 30, 2009, 08:33 AM
And also I am very excited about this because I think we are gonna learn new things about Ennis and Jack. I mean, the article above says that Annie wrote Ennis and Jack thoughts for the parts where in the film there was only silent and close ups. So, it means that we are gonna finally know what Ennis and Jack were thinking in key scenes like the first time they met, when Ennis looks at Jack up on the mountain, or Jack looks at the camp at night, or when Jack stares at Ennis leaving the camp both in the DE and in the confrontation scene, and, above all, what Ennis was thinking when he got the postcard with the bad news, when he found the shirts and when he said that "Jack, I swear".

God, I can hardly wait....
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: bowl_of_glow on Apr 30, 2009, 11:49 AM
I just read all of this and ooooh, I'd so love to be there!! Spain is not that far!!
But 2013? It's a long time to wait!  ::)
It would be great though...
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: bowl_of_glow on Apr 30, 2009, 11:50 AM
I just read all of this and ooooh, I'd so love to be there!!  <^( Spain is not that far!!
But 2013? It's a long time to wait!  ::)
It would be great though...

EDITED: Ops, I quoted myself... Sorry about that!  :8
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Apr 30, 2009, 12:29 PM
Yeah, I think you could be right. I read above that Ennis part will be mostly spoken, so perhaps it'll be more like a musical, maybe saving the lyrical parts of the score for certain powerful scenes like the DE or Jack's death?

I so want to see this!!!!  <^( <^(

Whatever final form/shape it takes, I want to see it.  :)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on Apr 30, 2009, 12:30 PM
EDITED: Ops, I quoted myself... Sorry about that!  :8

That's OK, bowl_of_glow  ;D  Yes, a lot can happen between now and 2013.  But be patient!  And hope we can all meet there and then.  :)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on May 03, 2009, 02:27 AM
And also I am very excited about this because I think we are gonna learn new things about Ennis and Jack. I mean, the article above says that Annie wrote Ennis and Jack thoughts for the parts where in the film there was only silent and close ups. So, it means that we are gonna finally know what Ennis and Jack were thinking in key scenes like the first time they met, when Ennis looks at Jack up on the mountain, or Jack looks at the camp at night, or when Jack stares at Ennis leaving the camp both in the DE and in the confrontation scene, and, above all, what Ennis was thinking when he got the postcard with the bad news, when he found the shirts and when he said that "Jack, I swear".

God, I can hardly wait....

you're right tammy...
notthat i think we can learn more about our boys..  ;)  ;D
but surely the fact that annie does it, is a good sign...
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on May 03, 2009, 10:03 PM
Looks like a trip to Madrid is in the plans for 2013, huh?  I'm in.  ^-^ If the army don't get me.  :P
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: bowl_of_glow on May 04, 2009, 07:49 AM
Looks like a trip to Madrid is in the plans for 2013, huh?  I'm in.  ^-^ If the army don't get me.  :P

;D ;D ;D ;D ...hope not. ^f^
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 04, 2009, 09:39 AM
Looks like a trip to Madrid is in the plans for 2013, huh?  I'm in.  ^-^ If the army don't get me.  :P

Yes, it is!  :)  Talk about long-term planning.   ;D
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on May 04, 2009, 10:08 AM
Looks like a trip to Madrid is in the plans for 2013, huh?  I'm in.  ^-^ If the army don't get me.  :P


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Then I'll be waiting for you!!  ^f^
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: pierralex on May 04, 2009, 01:27 PM
Madrid in 2013? Tempting indeed! :clap:
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 04, 2009, 03:53 PM

I hope there will be no delays. 

But even with delays, I am sure that it would be worth the wait!

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: pierralex on May 04, 2009, 03:58 PM
You bet!

I can't wait to hear the sheep singing <^(

More seriously, I am curious to see how they manage to deal with all the silences and unsaid parts of BBM.
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 04, 2009, 04:04 PM
You bet!

I can't wait to hear the sheep singing <^(

More seriously, I am curious to see how they manage to deal with all the silences and unsaid parts of BBM.

Not to mention SNIT and the Motel scene.   #)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on May 04, 2009, 04:27 PM
Not to mention SNIT and the Motel scene.   #)


 ;D ;D ;D ;D You wicked  >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 04, 2009, 05:48 PM

 ;D ;D ;D ;D You wicked  >:D >:D >:D

 ;D   #) #) #) #)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: myprivatejack on May 05, 2009, 10:14 AM
Not to mention SNIT and the Motel scene.   #)

And after that,he will say he's an angel,huh? >:D :i
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 05, 2009, 10:34 AM
And after that,he will say he's an angel,huh? >:D :i

I wouldn't mind helping out with the libretto!   #)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: myprivatejack on May 05, 2009, 10:58 AM
I wouldn't mind helping out with the libretto!   #)

Oh,yes,where? In these scenes,precisely?... :8  >:D
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 05, 2009, 12:11 PM
Oh,yes,where? In these scenes,precisely?... :8  >:D

I think AP may not approve of our intended "additions".   ;D   #)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on May 05, 2009, 01:07 PM
I think AP may not approve of our intended "additions".   ;D   #)


Not when she finds out your love for "close ups".  ^-^ >:D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 05, 2009, 04:34 PM

Not when she finds out your love for "close ups".  ^-^ >:D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And your love for couches!   ;D   #)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: ethan on May 05, 2009, 08:37 PM
Madrid in 2013? Tempting indeed! :clap:

Yay - Madrid in 2013. Something to look forward to. Just hope that the production will smooth and be on schedule.
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 06, 2009, 07:27 AM
Yay - Madrid in 2013. Something to look forward to. Just hope that the production will smooth and be on schedule.

Yes, I think that THAT would be the greatest enemy.  WE should expect/anticipate delays.  But I hope they will inevitably push through -- with or without a delay!

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: Romeo164 on May 08, 2009, 12:59 AM
Madrid in 2013? Tempting indeed! :clap:

Well yeah...it's just a train ride for you folks.  ::)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 08, 2009, 08:54 AM
Well yeah...it's just a train ride for you folks.  ::)

And just one plane ride for me!   ;D  :)

Romeo164, try to come!
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on May 08, 2009, 09:10 AM
And just one plane ride for me!   ;D  :)

Romeo164, try to come!

 ;D ;D

Mmm....I think I only have to walk for 5 minutes.... ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: Romeo164 on May 09, 2009, 12:08 AM
OK Tammy, rub it in. By the way I used to live in Madrid when I was little. Would be interesting to see what happened to that apartment complex.
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: babytammy7 on May 09, 2009, 08:01 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Frederic!!  ^f^  You US brokies do the same to me when you have those wonderful meetings at the other side of the pond....  ;) ;D


Oh, Madrid has changed A LOT!!! You won't believe it. It's not the same city anymore. It's huge (of course not as huge as US cities.... ::)  ;D ), with lots of green places, very clean, and very modern. The underground is the second best in Europe, and the streets are big avenues.

Hope it gets better and better so you all brokies like it when you come to see BBM.  ^f^
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on May 10, 2009, 03:13 AM
OK Tammy, rub it in. By the way I used to live in Madrid when I was little. Would be interesting to see what happened to that apartment complex.

you did?  :)
so what? you're a half european and kept that a secret from us?  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: Romeo164 on May 10, 2009, 10:16 PM
I know this is off topic but I used to live in Madrid and Solle in Mallorca. My parents also had an apartment in Valencia and Zaragoza but this was  years and years ago (Back when Franco was still alive).
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tpe on May 11, 2009, 08:09 AM
I know this is off topic but I used to live in Madrid and Solle in Mallorca. My parents also had an apartment in Valencia and Zaragoza but this was  years and years ago (Back when Franco was still alive).

You must be sure to come to a Madrid meeting then!  It would be like a homecoming.  :)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on Apr 21, 2011, 03:03 AM
so... we're still on i guess......  O0   :clap:


from the
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 31 March 2011 Charles Wuorinen

One of the composers who has been well served by Naxos's American Classics series is Charles Wuorinen, even before he made headlines with the announcement that he was to write an opera based on Annie Proulx's short story Brokeback Mountain, due for performance in two years' time.
Born in 1938, Wuorinen has long been a hugely respected figure in American music. It's his chamber music, though, that shows his dense, busy language at its most powerful, and the two major works here, his first String Quartet of 1971 and the second Piano Quintet completed three years ago, show its expressive range and the formal ingenuity with which Wuorinen deploys it.
Title: Brokeback Mountain chamber opera
Post by: BBMJWT on Apr 21, 2011, 08:08 PM
City Opera Vancouver secures rights to Brokeback Mountain chamber opera world premiere

Show me a good love story and I’ll show you a good opera—which is why this news comes as a particular thrill: City Opera Vancouver has secured the rights to the chamber music version of Brokeback Mountain, the opera.

Composer Charles Wuorinen has signed a Letter of Intent with COV, agreeing that he will create a chamber version of the work he’s currently developing, with a libretto by the original Brokeback Mountain author, Annie Proulx.

http://www.straight.com/article-388806/vancouver/city-opera-vancouver-secures-rights-brokeback-mountain-chamber-opera-world-premiere#comment_form (http://www.straight.com/article-388806/vancouver/city-opera-vancouver-secures-rights-brokeback-mountain-chamber-opera-world-premiere#comment_form)
Title: Re: Brokeback Mountain chamber opera
Post by: tizi17 on Apr 26, 2011, 04:01 AM
wow.... we knew it would be in madrid as we discussed on the other thread....
and now another one in vancouver...
well, another BBM meet there i guess...  ;)  ;D
Title: Brokeback Mountain opera
Post by: Steve1280 on May 08, 2011, 02:11 AM
Hope everybody knows about this:

http://cityoperavancouver.com/brokeback-mountain (http://cityoperavancouver.com/brokeback-mountain)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on May 08, 2011, 09:38 AM
Please post here all about BBM the opera, we merged some related posts. :)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on May 09, 2011, 02:16 AM
ennis is a bass baritone and jack a tenor..

now what does this say..?  :s)     ::)   :)

we have our next big meet ready, folks..  O0
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on May 09, 2011, 02:59 PM
Well that's not before 2015... but the premiere of the full score opera is in January 2014 in Madrid... I wonder...
Madrid, never been to Madrid...  :s)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on May 10, 2011, 03:23 AM
the we will be going  :clap:
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on May 10, 2011, 05:13 PM
And this could be a treat for my birthday... I'm a Capricorn!  ;)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: Romeo164 on May 11, 2011, 12:19 AM
Well that's not before 2015... but the premiere of the full score opera is in January 2014 in Madrid... I wonder...
Madrid, never been to Madrid...  :s)

hey I lived there in 1976.
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on May 11, 2011, 01:57 AM
And this could be a treat for my birthday... I'm a Capricorn!  ;)

well it's always nice to have a plan...  ;)
and romeo - you're our guide...  :clap:
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on May 11, 2011, 05:50 PM
ennis is a bass baritone and jack a tenor..

now what does this say..?  :s)     ::)   :)

we have our next big meet ready, folks..  O0

A bit off topic but for better understanding

Bass Baritone is not the deepest male voice but not far from it, however the tenor has the highest tone in male voice range.

One example here of a duet between a tenor and a bass baritone, from Verdi's Don Carlo

Placido Domingo and Sherrill Milnes in Don Carlo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfp3cI2UVn0#)

BTW, this example is not a love duet but a duet between old friends.  ;)

Ennis would get the deepest voice and Jack the highest one, very well suited for the characters and a male - male love story.

The romantic character, Jack, would be sung by a tenor.
The denying tortured (and traumatized) character, Ennis would be sung by a bass baritone.

It all fits with opera conventions.  :)

And on this, end of  *o)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on May 12, 2011, 01:36 AM
nono that wasn't  *o)  at all!
thank you for the explanations and the perfect sample..

do you think it might be a sort of "modern" opera, like the philipp glass ones? i mean b.britten sort would be fine, but further than that? i have heard there is gerard mortier involved, and from his time in austria i remember him more on the traditional side, so to speak...  :s)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: chameau on May 12, 2011, 04:03 PM
This could give you an idea, it's the closer to an opera I could find, a mass Charles Wuorinen wrote back in 1982.

Charles Wuorinen: Mass for the restoration of St. Luke in the Fields (1982) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSsw-H_3DoE#)

You could go on youtube and type Charles Wuorinen in the search box... it's not Benjamin Britten for sure.  :s)

Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: tizi17 on May 14, 2011, 06:36 AM
oh. ok.
i did.

thank you cham - really interesting.. and close to the glass work

Philip Glass - Kepler - Act I - VI. Gryphius 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd_en5TJotQ#)

i am trying to visualize BBM...  :s)
it can be very dramatic, though..  :s)
Title: Re: BBM the Opera
Post by: rdx on Jun 13, 2011, 01:52 PM
from the
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 31 March 2011 Charles Wuorinen

Well, the man matches his name: Wuorinen -  Wuori - Vuori - a mountain: it's a small world...