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« on: Mar 06, 2006, 09:07 AM »
Its puzzeled me for sometime, Jack stole Ennis's shirt and kept it at his parents house, why ?, if it was me they would be back in Texas where I could take hold off and remember Ennis and the summer of 63 up on brokeback,  after all he only returned to the farm once a year to help out.

Hope this hasnt been asked before, any idea guys ?
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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 06, 2006, 09:19 AM »
I think it was because his childhood home remained a fixed point throughout his life.  The fact that he appreciated his mother keeping it the way it was when he was a boy corraborates this view.

The room was Jack's inner sanctum of sorts, and the corner in the closet was the Holy of Holies.  I cannot imagine Jack's father frequenting his room -- given his remoteness to his son and a probable preference for the outdoors on the ranch.
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:06 AM »
Also, when the boys left Brokeback, Jack went directly to his parent's house... he didn't have another home.  Of course, he had the shirts with him at that time.  His next time out was on the rodeo circuit, and he certainly wouldn't have take the shirts with him, so the shirts remained in the little closet.  Allan

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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #3 on: Mar 06, 2006, 01:00 PM »
There is also I think a notion of "out of time":
He knows his room will always stay like it is, forever.... such as his love for Ennis.
In Texas the shirts wouldn't have had the same meaning. And there would have been a rosk that Lureen find them. At his parent's house, only his mother could find them, but as he talked about Ennis to them, I suppose his mother would have understand the importance of the shirts. (And maybe she knows well they're here).
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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #4 on: Mar 06, 2006, 02:55 PM »
now this is one of many reasons I love this forum: I've seen the film 5 times and the question of the shirts never entered my brain; but after reading these posts, I had a whole new train of thoughts going and it was exciting, as if adding bits and pieces from my mind's eye to the film, and I recalled the moment Ennis says to Jack "can't believe I left my damn shirt up there...." and Jack just asks, "you gonna do this again next summer?" ... and then I pictured Jack returning home after the first summer on BBM and caressing the shirts himself before carefully hanging them in the back closet!  Thank you for your thoughts everyone.
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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 06, 2006, 03:00 PM »
I actually thought of that, but it makes sense, his Mom wouldn't bother them and
Lureen might find them at his house or throw them out etc. 
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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 06, 2006, 08:52 PM »
There is also I think a notion of "out of time":
He knows his room will always stay like it is, forever.... such as his love for Ennis.
In Texas the shirts wouldn't have had the same meaning.

And, he would have been carrying the shirts around with him for 3 years before he met Lureen.
No, they were safe in his parents home, that was the best place for them.

Can any of you picture Lureen doing laundry?  I can't.

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At his parent's house, only his mother could find them, but as he talked about Ennis to them, I suppose his mother would have understand the importance of the shirts.

There was no doubt in my mind that Jack's mother knew about the shirts and their meaning.

Think of her tone and the look she gave Ennis when she said to Ennis, "I kept his room like it was when he was a boy (19?). I think he appreciated that (not touching the shirts?)."(pause and a look that said, YES GO UP THERE) "You are welcome to go up in his room, if you want." (note, not TO his room, but look IN his room).

Then, when Ennis came down with the shirts she looked at them and nodded and immediately got a sack.  She didn't ask any questions as to why he was taking her son's shirts.  She KNEW one of them was Ennis'.

On a side note and I hope not too off topic although this does pertain to the shirts.  Did anyone notice when Ennis came down stairs he was carrying the rolled up shirts in his right hand almost in front of him.  The father turned and looked at the shirts and Ennis immediately moved them toward his right side, as if to say, 'You ain't getting these you old bastard so don't say a word.'

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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:44 PM »
Did anyone notice when Ennis came down stairs he was carrying the rolled up shirts in his right hand almost in front of him.  The father turned and looked at the shirts and Ennis immediately moved them toward his right side, as if to say, 'You ain't getting these you old bastard so don't say a word.'

Thanks for pointing that out, Patriot1, I noticed that too. Another example of all the unspoken communication taking place at the Twist house. All the actors really hit their marks in that scene - bravo!
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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #8 on: Mar 06, 2006, 11:53 PM »
Well i think that Jack room was the place because as everybody said it was the place that was more safe for his love, it was the place that he was thinking to bring Ennis he was planing to build a ranch near his parents house so he was trying to keep his most important belongings, Ennis of course was his most important one. Usually our parents houses are the places that are more important to us because they carry the story of our begnings and we have them in most of the time what we most loved there....

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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #9 on: Mar 07, 2006, 07:41 AM »
Patriot 1;  thanks for your comment about the rolled up shirts: I just thought of something.....maybe Ennis had taken the carving of horse and rider from Jack's desk and rolled it up in the shirts; remember in an early tent scene Ennis is carving a horse! I wonder if he finished it and gave it to Jack........and then Jack put a rider on it!...... Oh, the detail that set us off!
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 07, 2006, 03:23 PM »
There was no doubt in my mind that Jack's mother knew about the shirts and their meaning.

Think of her tone and the look she gave Ennis when she said to Ennis, "I kept his room like it was when he was a boy (19?). I think he appreciated that (not touching the shirts?)."(pause and a look that said, YES GO UP THERE) "You are welcome to go up in his room, if you want." (note, not TO his room, but look IN his room).

Then, when Ennis came down with the shirts she looked at them and nodded and immediately got a sack.  She didn't ask any questions as to why he was taking her son's shirts.  She KNEW one of them was Ennis'.

On a side note and I hope not too off topic although this does pertain to the shirts.  Did anyone notice when Ennis came down stairs he was carrying the rolled up shirts in his right hand almost in front of him.  The father turned and looked at the shirts and Ennis immediately moved them toward his right side, as if to say, 'You ain't getting these you old bastard so don't say a word.'

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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #11 on: Mar 07, 2006, 03:28 PM »
Patriot 1;  thanks for your comment about the rolled up shirts: I just thought of something.....maybe Ennis had taken the carving of horse and rider from Jack's desk and rolled it up in the shirts; remember in an early tent scene Ennis is carving a horse! I wonder if he finished it and gave it to Jack........and then Jack put a rider on it!...... Oh, the detail that set us off!

Well, you know Stephen, the horse has been a puzzlement to me. We do see Ennis carving a horse (and maybe eventually a rider) at the beginning of the movie. And, the horse on Jack's desk COULD be that horse when it was finished.  When Ennis picked it up he did cry after all.  BUT we never see the horse again.  If Ennis had taken it from Jack's parents house I am sure he would have put it in some place of prominence in the trailer, but we never see it again, so, I am just not sure he took it.

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« Reply #12 on: Mar 07, 2006, 03:30 PM »
Once again a thread that turns into so much more than I thought it might.  I had not come here because in seeing the title I thought "well, of course they were at his parent's house because he took them there after that first summer."  But there's so much more to this thread!

Patriot1, your comments are especially keen and meaningful.

One thing I noticed and wondered about with the shirts.  Ennis seems to nearly always wear a patterned shirt (plaids, generally) and Jack wears solids.  I'm not going to go and start deconstructing this for meaning (!) but I wonder if that was done on purpose?  Did the costumers see something different in the two?  Was it a device to help us recognize that one shirt was Jack's and the other Ennis'?  Was it a way for us to understand that Mrs Twist recognized that the second bloody shirt wasn't Jacks too?

Might be an inconsequential detail (are there any in this film?) but it seems rather consistent that Jack wears solids and Ennis doesn't.

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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #13 on: Mar 07, 2006, 03:55 PM »
Was it a device to help us recognize that one shirt was Jack's and the other Ennis'?  Was it a way for us to understand that Mrs Twist recognized that the second bloody shirt wasn't Jacks too?


Ennis' cloths are more plain than Jacks, I think in a way to distinguish the money situation and the life within... jack is more colorfull and vivacious.

Had I been jacks mum I woulda washed those shirts thinking they were both jacks...so I think she knew :)
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 07, 2006, 03:57 PM »
Had I been jacks mum I woulda washed those shirts thinking they were both jacks...so I think she knew :)

Another excellent point. 

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 07, 2006, 05:02 PM »
Patriot1, your comments are especially keen and meaningful.

One thing I noticed and wondered about with the shirts.  Ennis seems to nearly always wear a patterned shirt (plaids, generally) and Jack wears solids.

Thanks for the nice complement dalemidex.  Much appreciated.

As for the color or pattern in the shirts; I wouldn't put any significance it that.  Neither the story, the screenplay or the movie give any indication that means anything.  Besides, Jack doesn't always wear solids.  If you will remember he wore a large plaid shirt the third year he went to Aguirre for a job.  I didn't check out the rest of the movie to see if there were any other times.

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 07, 2006, 05:25 PM »
I'd forgotten about the plaid shirt in in Aguirre's trailer the next summer.  Thanks!

You know it might just be that with Jack's complexion he looked better in denim shirts and the like, including that purple shirt he wears in the parka scene.  Devastating -- Jake should wear this color!    :D


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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #17 on: Mar 07, 2006, 05:31 PM »
Thanks guys for all the replies, I thought Jack wore the shirt after the summer up on Brokeback,  will have to go back and check film, I find it hard to believe Jack only got to see / hold the shirts once a year, even more so once they had rekindled their relationship.
Jack's mum   would of known straight away the other shirt was not Jack's, its not as if he had a wardrobe full of clothes, just what he stood up in more or less, bless him.

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« Reply #18 on: Mar 07, 2006, 05:35 PM »
I'd forgotten about the plaid shirt in in Aguirre's trailer the next summer.  Thanks!

You know it might just be that with Jack's complexion he looked better in denim shirts and the like, including that purple shirt he wears in the parka scene.  Devastating -- Jake should wear this color!    :D

Actually dalemidex, I like what he wore in the second tent scene the best!!!
 ;) ;D :o :-* ;D
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 07, 2006, 05:39 PM »
...I thought Jack wore the shirt after the summer up on Brokeback,  will have to go back and check film,...

I don't think so johnboy.  For one thing, it was covered in blood.

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 07, 2006, 05:59 PM »
I'd forgotten about the plaid shirt in in Aguirre's trailer the next summer.  Thanks!

You know it might just be that with Jack's complexion he looked better in denim shirts and the like, including that purple shirt he wears in the parka scene.  Devastating -- Jake should wear this color!    :D

Actually dalemidex, I like what he wore in the second tent scene the best!!!
 ;) ;D :o :-* ;D

Can't argue with you there!!

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« Reply #21 on: Mar 12, 2006, 09:04 AM »
Actually dalemidex, I like what he wore in the second tent scene the best!!!
 ;) ;D :o :-* ;D

Can't argue with you there!!

Actually dalemidex, I didn't think you could...or would.  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #22 on: Mar 12, 2006, 09:21 AM »
Hello friends. Oh wow, thank you so much for your thoughts on this subject. I have to confess that I never gave the shirts much thought in spite of the fact that the scene of Ennis finding them killed me beautifully each time.

Patriot1 : now I realise that I love Jack's mom too. She must have known.

No, I can't see Lureen doing laundry. She would have thrown them away.

If I can fantasise further : in August of '63, when Jack didn't have a job, he stayed a bit with his parents at that ranch. So he had a few weeks of touching them and reliving his time with Ennis. It's where his love for Ennis grew even though they were apart. That room sort becomes a part of his love for Ennis, together with the mountain.

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« Reply #23 on: Mar 12, 2006, 10:12 AM »
Yes, Stephan, that is an interesting subtext; Jack had the shirts and time to brood and savour the Brokeback experience, to dwell on it and to make it a permanent part of his soul, whereas Ennis was married, raising a family soon after the summer on Brokeback, busy and preoccupied, though he thought of Jack often......so after 4 years, for reasons we can only guess at, Jack makes the overture to reunite! Oh, I'd love to know what inspired Jack to send his card after 4 f******years!
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 12, 2006, 10:35 AM »
Yes, Stephan, that is an interesting subtext; Jack had the shirts and time to brood and savour the Brokeback experience, to dwell on it and to make it a permanent part of his soul, whereas Ennis was married, raising a family soon after the summer on Brokeback, busy and preoccupied, though he thought of Jack often......so after 4 years, for reasons we can only guess at, Jack makes the overture to reunite! Oh, I'd love to know what inspired Jack to send his card after 4 f******years!

Oh Stephen!!!  Did you miss that also???

Jack was dancing with Lureen at the bar. Jack and Lureen were dancing and talking, the music was "No One's Gonna Love You Like Me." When the music got to the part that says, "I know sometimes you felt so sad and lonely..." the camera is on Jack's face and you can see he misses Ennis and is getting sad.  But, right then he has a mission.  He needs to get Lureen interested enough in him to marry him. Her daddy is rich.

He has a baby (normally a happy occasion) but his wife and her parents exclude him from the happy moment so he leaves the room sad and alone.

I believe (although there is no evidence to support this) he then starts sending post cards to various towns to General Delivery looking for Ennis.  The only evidence for that theory is his post card that says, "Drop me a line say if your there."  This might indicate he had sent several cards to several places.

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« Reply #25 on: Mar 12, 2006, 10:52 AM »
Oh Patriot, you certainly have a wonderful imagination and keen insight into details!  Yes, all you say adds up to an impassioned impulse for Jack to reclaim Ennis! I'd never thought of the implications of the "general delivery"  post card! Poor Jack; even his well intentioned family life shut him out. It's been a long time since I hated someone as much as I hated Jack's father in law! Stephen (not Stephan)
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 12, 2006, 01:22 PM »

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I am so sorry Stephen! Allow me to blame it on a senior moment.... or fat fingers.    :-* X

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Re: Shirts - why at jacks parents ?
« Reply #27 on: Mar 16, 2006, 07:14 PM »
About the shirts being at Jack's parents home all this time, I myself don't think that there is much secondary thought "behind" this.

After that first idyllic summer together with Ennis on BM, Jack went on the rodeo circuit...he was travelling alot...had no real "permanent home" of sorts...  Just moving from one spot to the next.  I just think that it was practical and essential for him to travel "light"...and because the shirts meant so much to him, he knew that leaving it at his parents home, they would stay most safe there...

I also know this from my own personal experience...while still studying, and travelling the world...before finally settling down and eventually getting a place of my very own...I always sent things that I had collected along the way...things that I treasured, and which I knew that I would always want to keep...(back) to my "family home".  I just think that Jack did that too.

Personally, I also don't think that Jack married Lureen for her money.  I don't think that he was that kind of guy.  I think that he did it because he probably felt something for her when they first met ("I just like the direction you're goin' in").  Perhaps he loved the attention he got from her at the start~~she kind of "went after him" aggressively when they first met: ("What are you waitin' for?  A mating call?")  And maybe, also a little bit because it was what people expected a young man to do in the '60's...(eventually settle down and get married...)  Perhaps, it was a half-assed attempt of trying to "fit-into" the heterosexual environment he found himself in.

In the scene with Ennis and Jack's parents, Jack's father mentions Jack's plan of moving back to help get the ranch in shape and to build a little cabin in Lightning Flat for Ennis and himself.  It could just possibly be that Jack had always had the intention of moving back there and taking over the spread one day...(with Ennis...later with Randall...).  This could also be another reason why he always left the 2 shirts hanging there in his childhood room.  It was always his intention to return there one day...

But that's just what I think...

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« Reply #28 on: Mar 16, 2006, 08:36 PM »
Personally, I also don't think that Jack married Lureen for her money.  I don't think that he was that kind of guy.  I think that he did it because he probably felt something for her when they first met ("I just like the direction you're goin' in").  Perhaps he loved the attention he got from her at the start~~she kind of "went after him" aggressively when they first met: ("What are you waitin' for?  A mating call?")  And maybe, also a little bit because it was what people expected a young man to do in the '60's...(eventually settle down and get married...)  Perhaps, it was a half-assed attempt of trying to "fit-into" the heterosexual environment he found himself in.

I agree...I just don't think Jack is the type to marry flat-out for money and no other noteworthy motivation.

However, and I know this has probably been discussed elsewhere, I just can't help but wonder if these was a shotgun wedding.  The details in the movie have Bobbie being born only about 4 or 5 months after Jack and Lureen meet, but I suspect that was simply an oversight in timing:

--August 1966  Childress Rodeo (It's August, and it's 1966 unless they are showing us scenes out of order because this is after Ennis blows up and the 1966 4th of July fireworks)

--Late September 1967  Jack describes Bobby as being 8 months old.  That would have him born in January, about 5 months after the two meet.

Unless Jack mistakenly said "eight months' when in fact Bobby was only 4 or 5 months old, the timing doesn't work out right.  (I **don't** think that this is not Jack's son.  That's just too important a detail to present in a cryptic way and then go nowhere with it.)

However I do think that the shotgun wedding could be implied even without trying to do the math.  The movie shows Lureen going for it with Jack in the back seat, and the very next scene between them shows Lureen with little Bobby.  Dates aside, going from a sex scene to a baby scene is often, often a clear way to imply that the child was conceived in that coupling. 

Jack could have easily married Lureen because of an accidental pregnancy.


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« Reply #29 on: Mar 16, 2006, 10:11 PM »
Jack could have easily married Lureen because of an accidental pregnancy.

And I don't think it was an accident. I think Jack planned it that way. And I agree with you it was a shotgun wedding.  The reason I think it was planned is because there is no evidence he ever slept with his wife again.  No other kids in 20 years?

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