Author Topic: Rodeo Clown Scene - possible spoilers (Read 35025 times)

Toadily · « **on:** Jan 07, 2006, 01:23 AM »

It looks like from the script that Jack was trying to pick him up, or there was some of that in his intent, and there is a note in the script that Jack leaves looking around nervously after he is blown off. and then someone was suggesting
that maybe he went with Lureen after that to prove himself, and hide. What do you think?

Canata · « **Reply #1 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 02:19 AM »

Thanks for bringing this up. I think Jack was trying to pick him up. But lets take this a step further....When the Rodeo Clown left the bar and went to the other guys at the pool table....they seemed to be talking....was it just bullshitting or were they talking about Jack?

Canata · « **Reply #2 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 02:28 AM »

well I just was thinking about when the clown walked back to the pool table....either they were bullshitting about stuff...or talking about Jack...open for discussion I guess

Toadily · « **Reply #3 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 02:39 AM »

Quote from: Canata on Jan 07, 2006, 02:28 AM

well I just was thinking about when the clown walked back to the pool table....either they were bullshitting about stuff...or talking about Jack...open for discussion I guess

Yeah it makes sense, he saw them talking, and even though Jack was more comfortable with his
orientation than Ennis it was still 1960something and he wasn't going to exactly be out there, so that would
fit that Lureen comes along pretty quick after.

Ok, it fits, Ang Lee said something to the effect that Jack "went along with the marriage"
something like that.

Canata · « **Reply #4 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 02:45 AM »

Toad....so my question still remains....when the clown walked back ...was he talking about Jack. The reason I'm wondering...was this the prelude to a possible murder...

Toadily · « **Reply #5 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 02:45 AM »

Remember too at the final confrontation scene between Ennis and Jack, Ennis says something like
there are things in Mexico for "boys like you" to Jack and it's like he is stating he knows Jack is gay, while
in denial himself or thinking that he Ennis is only attracted to Jack and no other men (thus he calls it
"this thing" between them) I don't know it's like he can't accept that Jack is more gay and Jack kind of knows
this and finally just says "hell yes I have been to Mexico", like he is finally just coming out and being himself.
Unfortunately the world wasn't ready and he got killed for it.

Toadily · « **Reply #6 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 02:47 AM »

Quote from: Canata on Jan 07, 2006, 02:45 AM

Toad....so my question still remains....when the clown walked back ...was he talking about Jack. The reason I'm wondering...was this the prelude to a possible murder...

I don't think it's a prelude to the murder, I just think it shows the need to hide in a marriage.

Canata · « **Reply #7 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 02:51 AM »

don't want to bog down the forum ...just sent you a private message

brokebackmountain · « **Reply #8 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 04:54 AM »

Quote from: Toadily on Jan 07, 2006, 01:23 AM

It looks like from the script that Jack was trying to pick him up, or there was some of that in his intent, and there is a note in the script that Jack leaves looking around nervously after he is blown off. and then someone was suggesting
that maybe he went with Lureen after that to prove himself, and hide. What do you think?

Correct me if I am wrong. I thought the rodeo clown scene and later Jack met Lureen happened at different time?

I do think that Jack was trying to pick up the rodeo clown - somehow the rodeo clown looks *gay* to me according to my gaydar.

CoyotePiper · « **Reply #9 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 04:57 AM »

Did you notice that the setting for Jack's attempt to pick up Jimbo the clown was basically a "sausage party"? There was literally 1 woman in that whole bar full of cowboys. (maybe a 2nd) . In the next bar on the circuit, (where Lureen picks up Jack) there are plenty of women, but not in the Jimbo bar.

I mean where is a horny cowpoke like Jack

supposed to bury the sausage if there are no sausage buns around? (Well I guess there are some sausage buns around, they are just sporting mustaches

)

PS: On your next viewing get a look at the hunk cowboy standing to the right of Jimbo at the pool table. This film is loaded with hunky extras who are hanging out in the bars, and on the dance floors.

natalia · « **Reply #10 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 12:49 PM »

Yeah, I think he was definitely trying to pick him up and after the rodeo clown shut him down, I'm pretty sure he went and told his friends that "that cowboy was a little queer" so maybe that was why Jack left the bar.
Also, I want to call attention to the bartender. When he said "maybe you should try roping calves" or whatever was that a double entendre?

Toadily · « **Reply #11 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 01:13 PM »

Yes I think that "ever think of roping calves" was a point, in the script the stage direction
to that line is the bartender has "seen it all". I mean it may be that Jack was just missing
Ennis, it's hard to tell, but it shows in contrast to Brokeback, his interest in a male isn't going to be
unnoticed (or so he thought)

I think he meets Lureen pretty quick after that. It all fits now.

sharve · « **Reply #12 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 01:35 PM »

I also thought that Jack had figured out that the clown was a closet case (he did appear as a closet case to me). I also thought that Jack, though pissed off, decided he better leave before the scene got ugly.

borger1582 · « **Reply #13 on:** Jan 07, 2006, 09:02 PM »

I am paraphrasing some more knowledgable posters on the IMDB board for this film, but apparently the bartender's comment was aimed at Jack's attempt to pick up Jimbo the rodeo clown - the suggestion of the comment being that Jack ought to try with a man with less experience, a younger and naive person.

Jack, angry over being shut down and having the bartender notice his (attempt? failure? who knows?), determines to answer the bartender literally with the "do I look like I can afford a ropin horse?" and stomps off in his anger (and/or fear?).

tpe · « **Reply #14 on:** Jan 08, 2006, 12:17 PM »

I feel that Jack was genuinely flattered by the attention he got from Lureen, and he might have considered her as a sort of trophy (she being very good-looking and relatively well-to-do.)

I had a feeling that there was some genuine love in Jack for Lureen, but he was disillusioned early on by his inlaws treating him as an outsider, and by Lureen's overt concern for the family business.

It is no question that the great love of Jack's life was Ennis. Jack loved Ennis completely, it seemed -- loved him more than his own son and wife.

Toadily · « **Reply #15 on:** Jan 08, 2006, 08:53 PM »

After seeing it for the 5th time, I noted this scene better:

The rodeo clown was uncomfortable/put off by Jack coming over and Jack also smiles him sort of enigmatically, the guy then leaves,and when he, the rodeo clown spoke to the guys at the pool talbe, they gathered closer to him and then a couple looked right at Jack, Jack was aware of this. He was sort of found out, when Jack leaves one of the guys with Rodeo clown looks at him as he leaves, they *know*.

kcristob · « **Reply #16 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 05:47 PM »

I'd like to hear what others out there think about the Jack/Jimbo the rodeo clown bar scene.

It appears to me that Jack is trying to pick Jimbo up (?) and Jimbo is having none of that. But, I'm wondering if HE (jimbo) is gay and is either not hanging with what he considers the riff raff ("if I let every bull rider buy me a drink...) and is holding out for a better offer .... OR is he being super machismo because he too is in denial of his sexuality??? He walks over to a group of pretty macho type men who are playing pool... Or is there a secret in that corner too?

What do others think about this scene?

Toadily · « **Reply #17 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 05:53 PM »

There's a thread here about it.

Yes Jack was trying to pick him up.

It's significant scene cause note after Jimbo leaves uncomfortably he does tell the other macho guys. They look at Jack.
It's obvious Jack doesnt have the freedom of the Mountain anymore.He is at risk of being an outcast, Lureen shows up and the
setting is there for his marriage.

kcristob · « **Reply #18 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 05:57 PM »

ah! I did not catch Jimbo telling the others! Of course, now it makes sense. I guess I was so stuck on thinking Jimbo was gay it wasn't making sense. I thought Jack left just because he was rebuffed, but I get it now. Thanks!!!

Toadily · « **Reply #19 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 06:01 PM »

Quote from: kcristob on Jan 16, 2006, 05:57 PM

ah! I did not catch Jimbo telling the others! Of course, now it makes sense. I guess I was so stuck on thinking Jimbo was gay it wasn't making sense. I thought Jack left just because he was rebuffed, but I get it now. Thanks!!!

Yeah when you see it again and you will note it. He walks back to the pool table and starts to talk the men gather around him. it's obvious what
is going on, Jack then leaves angry and nervous. He is sort of found out. In the script they note that the bartender has "seen it all" when he suggests to Jack he learn calf roping.

kcristob · « **Reply #20 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 06:49 PM »

Upon my next viewing, I'll pay close attention to this scene. I got the feeling that when Jack offers to buy Jimbo's beer, that there is an initial interest on Jimbo's part. Just a second of "hmmmm, who is this" and then he sees who it is and loses interest. I don't know if that's true or not, but am looking forward to viewing the scene again. Yeah, my gaydar was ringing with Jimbo.

*Froggy* · « **Reply #21 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 06:52 PM »

Quote from: kcristob on Jan 16, 2006, 06:49 PM

Upon my next viewing, I'll pay close attention to this scene. I got the feeling that when Jack offers to buy Jimbo's beer, that there is an initial interest on Jimbo's part. Just a second of "hmmmm, who is this" and then he sees who it is and loses interest. I don't know if that's true or not, but am looking forward to viewing the scene again. Yeah, my gaydar was ringing with Jimbo.

Thought so too!

dirtbiker · « **Reply #22 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 07:20 PM »

Quote from: kcristob on Jan 16, 2006, 06:49 PM

Upon my next viewing, I'll pay close attention to this scene. I got the feeling that when Jack offers to buy Jimbo's beer, that there is an initial interest on Jimbo's part. Just a second of "hmmmm, who is this" and then he sees who it is and loses interest. I don't know if that's true or not, but am looking forward to viewing the scene again. Yeah, my gaydar was ringing with Jimbo.

Maybe he is another repressed "Ennis"...

jimmypage · « **Reply #23 on:** Feb 05, 2006, 01:26 PM »

Quote from: borger1582 on Jan 07, 2006, 09:02 PM

I am paraphrasing some more knowledgable posters on the IMDB board for this film, but apparently the bartender's comment was aimed at Jack's attempt to pick up Jimbo the rodeo clown - the suggestion of the comment being that Jack ought to try with a man with less experience, a younger and naive person.

Jack, angry over being shut down and having the bartender notice his (attempt? failure? who knows?), determines to answer the bartender literally with the "do I look like I can afford a ropin horse?" and stomps off in his anger (and/or fear?).

Yes, I think Jack is pretty angry because of the bartender sarcastic comment, that emphasizes his incapacity of roping anyone in,
especially Ennis, of course
who he literally caught with the lasso , without succes, on their last day at brokeback
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By the way the (horrible) italian translation of the dialogue is more explicit:
Bartender: Why don't you try with the lasso?
Jack: Do I look like one who has to pray someone?l
So maybe I'm inluenced by that...

rikcub · « **Reply #24 on:** Feb 05, 2006, 06:09 PM »

Quote from: kcristob on Jan 16, 2006, 06:49 PM

Upon my next viewing, I'll pay close attention to this scene. I got the feeling that when Jack offers to buy Jimbo's beer, that there is an initial interest on Jimbo's part. Just a second of "hmmmm, who is this" and then he sees who it is and loses interest. I don't know if that's true or not, but am looking forward to viewing the scene again. Yeah, my gaydar was ringing with Jimbo.

I'm not exactly sure if there was initial interest but you can see the exact moment in Jacks eyes when he flirts...that is when Jimbo gets all bent out of shape. If by then Jack had any sort of reputation on the rodeo circuit it makes sense that Jimbo had to cover his own butt with the other guys. Regardless, Jimbo sent the gaydar into high gear! He is as gay as I am.

cybernaut · « **Reply #25 on:** Feb 05, 2006, 07:19 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jan 08, 2006, 12:17 PM

I had a feeling that there was some genuine love in Jack for Lureen, but he was disillusioned early on by his inlaws treating him as an outsider, and by Lureen's overt concern for the family business.

Yes, I hate it when LD keeps calling Jack, Rodeo Boy, as if to remind him that's he is poor then and now

CherryCake · « **Reply #26 on:** Feb 05, 2006, 07:36 PM »

Quote from: cybernaut on Feb 05, 2006, 07:19 PM

Quote from: tpe on Jan 08, 2006, 12:17 PM
I had a feeling that there was some genuine love in Jack for Lureen, but he was disillusioned early on by his inlaws treating him as an outsider, and by Lureen's overt concern for the family business.

Yes, I hate it when LD keeps calling Jack, Rodeo Boy, as if to remind him that's he is poor then and now

I think he just called Jack "Rodeo" which I found hilarious for some reason...

CakeSaint · « **Reply #27 on:** Feb 12, 2006, 10:13 PM »

Quote from: borger1582 on Jan 07, 2006, 09:02 PM

I am paraphrasing some more knowledgable posters on the IMDB board for this film, but apparently the bartender's comment was aimed at Jack's attempt to pick up Jimbo the rodeo clown - the suggestion of the comment being that Jack ought to try with a man with less experience, a younger and naive person.

Jack, angry over being shut down and having the bartender notice his (attempt? failure? who knows?), determines to answer the bartender literally with the "do I look like I can afford a ropin horse?" and stomps off in his anger (and/or fear?).

The bartender may have meant his comment just as literally, seeing as how Jimbo rebuffed Jack and walked over to the group of calf ropers. Seems to me that the bartender is just trying to tell Jack he might have a little higher status/more success picking up guys like Jimbo if he were a calf roper.

frenchcda · « **Reply #28 on:** Feb 13, 2006, 06:54 AM »

Rodeo clown approach was in some ways a depiction of Jack's gay tendency, for what you haven't seen yet, is that when Jack leaves the bar, the Rodeo cowboys and the guy's at the pool table are making their way out and when Jack tries to go to his truck they block his way and make fun of Him. the scene was edited for the released version. They are 40 minutes missing from the original cut

CakeSaint · « **Reply #29 on:** Feb 13, 2006, 08:01 AM »

Quote from: frenchcda on Feb 13, 2006, 06:54 AM

Rodeo clown approach was in some ways a depiction of Jack's gay tendency, for what you haven't seen yet, is that when Jack leaves the bar, the Rodeo cowboys and the guy's at the pool table are making their way out and when Jack tries to go to his truck they block his way and make fun of Him. the scene was edited for the released version. They are 40 minutes missing from the original cut

Oh, interesting! I can easily see this happening. How did you find out about this, frenchcda? Is it in the story-to-screenplay book? I need to get that.

Author Topic: Rodeo Clown Scene - possible spoilers (Read 35025 times)

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