Author Topic: ledgers accent (Read 17619 times)

jack twist · « **on:** Jan 26, 2006, 07:34 AM »

I gotta say i was a little aggrivated by ledgers accent through it..that mumble I know he was supposed to be the quite one..but there was alot of grunting goin on..i felt he coulda talked like he did when he said the most words that time jack commented if he kept it up like that woulda been good..

stephan · « **Reply #1 on:** Jan 26, 2006, 08:34 AM »

Quote from: jack twist on Jan 26, 2006, 07:34 AM

I gotta say i was a little aggrivated by ledgers accent through it..that mumble I know he was supposed to be the quite one....

Have to say I disagree. That accent... exactly the sort I want when it's breathed in my ear in bed :D

austin · « **Reply #2 on:** Jan 26, 2006, 01:17 PM »

Sorry, me too ... I can't imagine Ennis with any different voice. What he said, how he said it was critical to his character -- also, it's hard to believe that Ledger was able to submerge himself like that. I was impressed by his range.

dirtbiker · « **Reply #3 on:** Jan 26, 2006, 04:58 PM »

His voice and accent is totally sexy to me. Jack's is too in a sort of puppy dog way

coguaro · « **Reply #4 on:** Jan 26, 2006, 06:05 PM »

Ennis voice is specific part of Ennis character

coguaro

bnjmn3 · « **Reply #5 on:** Jan 26, 2006, 06:12 PM »

The crew had vocal coaches to help with the various pronunciations of words..especially to make the difference pronunciations of words said in Texas or Wyoming! That was alot of work. If you want to talk about accents, listen for the Australian to sneak into Heath's voice maybe 6 times in words during the film. Otherwise, I do not have a problem with the accents the actors used. Sure, there is some dubbing/voice-overs for whatever reason, but I am content with the accents used in the film. The accents do not hinder the excellent acting throughout.

francis.shim · « **Reply #6 on:** Jan 27, 2006, 01:10 AM »

Howdy.

I had to write here... I am a hard-of-hearing and visually impaired individual so believe me when I tell you that I have a lot of difficulties keeping up with even everyday conversations let alone a dialogue onscreen in a darkened cavern. I have to admit I had difficulty hearing Heath's character; however, what I lack in hearing and in vision, I make up with imagination and years-and-years of guesswork and fill-in-the-blanks... and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't change a thing.

Ennis was just such a character... don't say much and mutters a lot. That's Ennis and I would probably keep turning his face to me and telling him to speak up... but then I ain't Jack... so I put up with it... but then so did Jack. What was more endearing about Ennis was his timing and when he did things and the way he did them. Ennis was helpful, thoughtful, caring and, do I daresay, nurturing... he was the proverbial "silent but strong type". Sort of like my partner... so I am no stranger to an Ennis.

In my case, I get the book and/or the screenplay to compensate for the words... but in this case I can definitely say that Heath Ledger really pulled off a very, very convincing Ennis for me. I saw Heath in some interviews and you know he is a very shy and quite energetic guy who tends to ramble a bit... very unlike the Ennis character.... yet in BBM he just became Ennis just like that and I find that absolutely amazing.

Frank

AnitaSmith · « **Reply #7 on:** Jan 27, 2006, 05:40 PM »

One of my favorite things in the film is the sound of Ennis' voice. It is deeply pitched and comes from a place deep inside of him. At the risk of sounding too melodramatic, it put me in mind of the loneliness of the vast Western landscape and Ennis' hardscrabble life as a child orphan. Ennis didn't speak much. It even took Jack Twist two weeks on Brokeback Mountain to get Ennis to open up. But the words that Ennis does utter are powerful and without compromise. When Ennis takes his daughter to meet his new "girlfriend" she comments that Junior (what Ennis called his daughter) doesn't say much, but what she says was to the point. In that way Ennis' daughter was very much like her father.

stationbbm · « **Reply #8 on:** Jan 28, 2006, 10:47 AM »

Further insight into Ennis's voice...every bit of that was intentional by Ledger. I read in an interview by Ledger that the voice was his method for capturing the internal struggle within (i.e, the clinch-fisted way he would express himself). Ledger also changes up the voice as he ages. Since physical features would not have changed too dramatically from teenagers to late 30's, he needed a way to age Ennis. His voice becomes less easy to understand as you progress through the film. I was a bit frustrated in my first viewing of the film in not catching everything he said, but with subsequent viewings, I tried to really hone in on his words and mannerisms. Ledger's performance (even at this early age) was perhaps the performance of his career...only time will tell.

stationbbm

Tuatara · « **Reply #9 on:** Jan 29, 2006, 12:52 AM »

Quote from: francis.shim on Jan 27, 2006, 01:10 AM

Howdy.

I had to write here... I am a hard-of-hearing and visually impaired individual so believe me when I tell you that I have a lot of difficulties keeping up with even everyday conversations let alone a dialogue onscreen in a darkened cavern. I have to admit I had difficulty hearing Heath's character; however, what I lack in hearing and in vision, I make up with imagination and years-and-years of guesswork and fill-in-the-blanks... and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't change a thing.

...snip...
Frank

Ah, a kindred spirit! I am hard of hearing also, and I found the dialects and voice tones moderately difficult to understand in the movie. In fact, I returned to the movie a second time and read the book twice to fill in the blanks.

When I tell people that I'm hard of hearing, I might jokingly mention that although I can hear their voices, I just have a problem with vowels and consonants.

What normal hearing people don't realize is that it's much more difficult and slower to process many of their words since I must interpret, put into context, and try to figure out words that I didn't hear clearly.

The things that I incorrectly hear can be quite amusing at times.

To this day, I am stunned at the concise yet rich dialog of such a short story!

francis.shim · « **Reply #10 on:** Jan 29, 2006, 01:32 AM »

Quote from: Tuatara on Jan 29, 2006, 12:52 AM

Quote from: francis.shim on Jan 27, 2006, 01:10 AM
Howdy.

I had to write here... I am a hard-of-hearing and visually impaired individual so believe me when I tell you that I have a lot of difficulties keeping up with even everyday conversations let alone a dialogue onscreen in a darkened cavern. I have to admit I had difficulty hearing Heath's character; however, what I lack in hearing and in vision, I make up with imagination and years-and-years of guesswork and fill-in-the-blanks... and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't change a thing.

...snip...
Frank

Ah, a kindred spirit! I am hard of hearing also, and I found the dialects and voice tones moderately difficult to understand in the movie. In fact, I returned to the movie a second time and read the book twice to fill in the blanks.

When I tell people that I'm hard of hearing, I might jokingly mention that although I can hear their voices, I just have a problem with vowels and consonants.

What normal hearing people don't realize is that it's much more difficult and slower to process many of their words since I must interpret, put into context, and try to figure out words that I didn't hear clearly.

The things that I incorrectly hear can be quite amusing at times.

To this day, I am stunned at the concise yet rich dialog of such a short story!

Well, howdy!

I know that is why I am sooooooo anxious for the DVD and for my screenplay to come... I wouldn't mind the audio either, because I can crank up the volume and just dance to the story.

When I first downloaded Annie's short story, I just sat there and read it in one sitting... I was glued from beginning to end. Now, I give myself some time to digest it, but it is just so nice to see other people having the same passion for this story as I am.

Now it is just sooooo nice to meet someone with h-o-h like I do... I wonder if you know some sign language? Anyway, I was just thinking what it would be like if Ennis and Jack were deaf and they were using only ASL or some thing... you know I can actually see them doing it.

Peace,
Frank

jason · « **Reply #11 on:** Jan 29, 2006, 02:26 AM »

Quote from: jack twist on Jan 26, 2006, 07:34 AM

I gotta say i was a little aggrivated by ledgers accent through it..that mumble I know he was supposed to be the quite one..but there was alot of grunting goin on..i felt he coulda talked like he did when he said the most words that time jack commented if he kept it up like that woulda been good..

My solution was to see and re-see the movie.

The whole thread on whether Ennis says "I'm sorry" in the second tent scene comes down to his mumble-mumble. I accept it as part of the movie.

But who's going to see it 6 times? Only us pleasant addicts.

francis.shim · « **Reply #12 on:** Jan 29, 2006, 02:31 AM »

Quote from: jason on Jan 29, 2006, 02:26 AM

Quote from: jack twist on Jan 26, 2006, 07:34 AM
I gotta say i was a little aggrivated by ledgers accent through it..that mumble I know he was supposed to be the quite one..but there was alot of grunting goin on..i felt he coulda talked like he did when he said the most words that time jack commented if he kept it up like that woulda been good..

My solution was to see and re-see the movie.

The whole thread on whether Ennis says "I'm sorry" in the second tent scene comes down to his mumble-mumble. I accept it as part of the movie.

But who's going to see it 6 times? Only us pleasant addicts.

That's true, Jason... could you come and drive me to the theatre? I wouldn't mind... since the authorities frown really hard on me, a legally blind person behind the steering wheel.

Just kidding... I just wish I was that mobile... but I am not... so I just have to adjust.

BTW, if you happen to stop by and want to go to the movie... well, sure, I'll come with you.

Peace,
Frank

jason · « **Reply #13 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 12:49 AM »

Quote from: francis.shim on Jan 29, 2006, 02:31 AM

Quote from: jason on Jan 29, 2006, 02:26 AM
Quote from: jack twist on Jan 26, 2006, 07:34 AM
I gotta say i was a little aggrivated by ledgers accent through it..that mumble I know he was supposed to be the quite one..but there was alot of grunting goin on..i felt he coulda talked like he did when he said the most words that time jack commented if he kept it up like that woulda been good..

My solution was to see and re-see the movie.

The whole thread on whether Ennis says "I'm sorry" in the second tent scene comes down to his mumble-mumble. I accept it as part of the movie.

But who's going to see it 6 times? Only us pleasant addicts.

That's true, Jason... could you come and drive me to the theatre? I wouldn't mind... since the authorities frown really hard on me, a legally blind person behind the steering wheel.

Just kidding... I just wish I was that mobile... but I am not... so I just have to adjust.

BTW, if you happen to stop by and want to go to the movie... well, sure, I'll come with you.

Peace,
Frank

You *will* get the DVD when it comes out, won't you. I'll drive you when I come to Cornwall of course. But I live in Texas so it'll be a while.

Cheers.

merry · « **Reply #14 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 02:08 AM »

Quote from: austin on Jan 26, 2006, 01:17 PM

Sorry, me too ... I can't imagine Ennis with any different voice. What he said, how he said it was critical to his character -- also, it's hard to believe that Ledger was able to submerge himself like that. I was impressed by his range.

I totally agree with u!! How difficult it is to understand (for I'm french) but how good it is!!

Merry

christie wood · « **Reply #15 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 04:07 AM »

I totally agree that Heath Ledger became Ennis, and the accent, the way he spoke, the words he used, all helped to define this very complex and tortured character. I also agree that it was very, very sexy.

Just one thing, a thread is mentioned about whether Ennis says "I'm sorry" in the 2nd tent scene, can anyone lead me to that thread, to save me some time, because it's something I wondered about too.

francis.shim · « **Reply #16 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 08:36 AM »

Quote from: jason on Jan 30, 2006, 12:49 AM

Quote from: francis.shim on Jan 29, 2006, 02:31 AM
Quote from: jason on Jan 29, 2006, 02:26 AM
Quote from: jack twist on Jan 26, 2006, 07:34 AM
I gotta say i was a little aggrivated by ledgers accent through it..that mumble I know he was supposed to be the quite one..but there was alot of grunting goin on..i felt he coulda talked like he did when he said the most words that time jack commented if he kept it up like that woulda been good..

My solution was to see and re-see the movie.

The whole thread on whether Ennis says "I'm sorry" in the second tent scene comes down to his mumble-mumble. I accept it as part of the movie.

But who's going to see it 6 times? Only us pleasant addicts.

That's true, Jason... could you come and drive me to the theatre? I wouldn't mind... since the authorities frown really hard on me, a legally blind person behind the steering wheel.

Just kidding... I just wish I was that mobile... but I am not... so I just have to adjust.

BTW, if you happen to stop by and want to go to the movie... well, sure, I'll come with you.

Peace,
Frank

You *will* get the DVD when it comes out, won't you. I'll drive you when I come to Cornwall of course. But I live in Texas so it'll be a while.

Cheers.

Whoa! That'll be one mighty trek from "Bush* (*cough*, sorry, no offence.) country to the Great White North... wouldn't want your horse or yourself getting a broken back coming all up yonder here.

... just light the fire... I'll cane my way down... at least, it will be warmer there!!! lol

Peace,
Frank

Italian_Dude · « **Reply #17 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 12:18 PM »

I enjoyed heath's accent, i thought it was very good and made ennis's character more believeable, and knowing the heath is from australia and has an austrialian accent is even more impressive because there was no hint of an australian accent in him! it was total rural cowboy accent which must have took lots of training to do! good job! :D

BBM Obsessed · « **Reply #18 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 04:45 PM »

Having been to various areas of Wyoming and Montana, I have to say both Heath's and Jake's accents sounded pretty authentic. I was amazed Heath was able to drop his Australian accent so easily.

backtobrokeback · « **Reply #19 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 05:38 PM »

I think Ledger nailed that accent - from the minute I saw the trailer, I KNEW he'd gotten it perfect - the American tone, the Western tone, and the suppressed man for whom expression is real effort. It was brilliant work, and I never thought he was mumbling. He was terse, he was soft-spoken, but I understood every word, every grunt that wasn't a word, every whispered "it's all right" from Jack and every sound that Ennis made.

And Stephan, I'm with you on that 'voice I'd wanna hear in my ear' - my S.O. has a low voice too, and it sends vibrations right down to my, well, you know.

Even when I read the book, I heard a similar voice - most clearly when Ennis replied to Jack's first postcard. Those two words, "YOU BET". God, how hot is that? I hear them as a very masculine, very aroused grunt " y o u b e t " with all the 'jouncing the mattress' that that implies. :fans self:

btb

christie wood · « **Reply #20 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 03:59 AM »

The other point about Ennis's voice is how it defines him as this repressed person who is carrying so much love for this man but cannot express it verbally. As Anne Hathaway put it (who played Jack's wife) he has to almost punch the words out of his mouth.

One thing that did strike me though, was the only time I can remember that his voice changed was the scene when he was holding Jack, who was falling asleep "like a horse". Do you remember how soft voiced he sounded, it was so beautiful and loving, it was heartbreaking too, because he hardly ever spoke like that. I love that scene so much, but Ennis's voice, whispering in Jack's ear, holding him close......beautiful.

backtobrokeback · « **Reply #21 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 10:07 AM »

Agreed! That scene is pure magic. His voice, his face, everything is different there. Now, in the book, that's Jack's memory, so maybe it's a little different, but yes, Ledger changed a few things there - he's actually affectionate, intimate, and happy for a brief moment.

btb

christie wood · « **Reply #22 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 10:12 AM »

I love it when Ennis is almost stretching from behind to see Jack's face, just to look at him, and stare at him contentedly. I think that is so beautifully done, and with such intimacy that is so rare.

Hermes1 · « **Reply #23 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 09:16 PM »

Quote from: dirtbiker on Jan 26, 2006, 04:58 PM

His voice and accent is totally sexy to me. Jack's is too in a sort of puppy dog way

Absolutely. My partner has a deep Southern accent a lot like that and it's one of the most sexy things about him. I have always loved that accent. Heath Ledger in an interview said that he had a voice coach and that they threw in a little bit of Texas accent into his speech. Perfect.

brian2006 · « **Reply #24 on:** Feb 07, 2006, 06:08 AM »

Quote from: christie wood on Feb 02, 2006, 10:12 AM

I love it when Ennis is almost stretching from behind to see Jack's face, just to look at him, and stare at him contentedly. I think that is so beautifully done, and with such intimacy that is so rare.

Agreed!!

that's a great scene!!

cybernaut · « **Reply #25 on:** Feb 07, 2006, 10:26 AM »

If you want a hint of Australian accent in the movie from Heath...

The scene when he rushed out of his apartment and greeted Jack.

"Jack Phucking Twist!"

Cowboy Cody · « **Reply #26 on:** Feb 07, 2006, 10:31 AM »

Quote from: Hermes1 on Feb 02, 2006, 09:16 PM

Quote from: dirtbiker on Jan 26, 2006, 04:58 PM
His voice and accent is totally sexy to me. Jack's is too in a sort of puppy dog way

Absolutely. My partner has a deep Southern accent a lot like that and it's one of the most sexy things about him. I have always loved that accent. Heath Ledger in an interview said that he had a voice coach and that they threw in a little bit of Texas accent into his speech. Perfect.

Where I live you get a big mix of accents, but I know where everyone is from...Pittsburgh & area (West Liberty Accent), Cleveland and NEO (mix of West Lib. & East) Mid & West Ohio (very midwest) anything south of columbus (southern). My Bubba's got a little cleveland accent that we don't have down here, but he's awfully damn cute!

n061857 · « **Reply #27 on:** Mar 25, 2006, 09:33 PM »

Quote from: AnitaSmith on Jan 27, 2006, 05:40 PM

One of my favorite things in the film is the sound of Ennis' voice. It is deeply pitched and comes from a place deep inside of him. At the risk of sounding too melodramatic, it put me in mind of the loneliness of the vast Western landscape and Ennis' hardscrabble life as a child orphan. Ennis didn't speak much. It even took Jack Twist two weeks on Brokeback Mountain to get Ennis to open up. But the words that Ennis does utter are powerful and without compromise. When Ennis takes his daughter to meet his new "girlfriend" she comments that Junior (what Ennis called his daughter) doesn't say much, but what she says was to the point. In that way Ennis' daughter was very much like her father.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I can't believe that Heath was able to camouflage his Australia accent so beautifully. I was also impressed in interviews how open and animated he is. He really did a superb job of transforming himself!