Author Topic: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene? (Read 54468 times)

bbmlover · « **on:** Jan 29, 2006, 08:33 AM »

I have seen BBM 3x now, and still I'am kind of confused about what Jack said in 2nd tent scene.
The 2nd time i saw, and even now i think Jack said "i swear, i swear" (which i took as "i swear, i swear, i love you Ennis") "its alright". So immediately i related this to last scene where Ennis says "Jack, I swear" (which again i took as "Jack, i swear, i love you)

Am i right here?
If wrong, Please some one let me know the correct dialogue in 2nd tent scene.

"Jack, I swear" - Ennis

ethan · « **Reply #1 on:** Jan 29, 2006, 08:39 AM »

Hello bbmlover, welcome.

I think the consensus is that Jack did say "it's alright it's alright" Some said "I'm sorry" from Ennis.

HERE is a topic which you may find some answers.

bbmlover · « **Reply #2 on:** Jan 29, 2006, 08:54 AM »

Thank You Ethan

Got more info on the link you gave.

I'am new to this site - just got registered yesterday. Wow it is really great to be here to talk to people who feel the same about the movie.
BBM has swooped me off. I have sincerly fallen in love with this movie.

ethan · « **Reply #3 on:** Jan 29, 2006, 08:59 AM »

Quote from: bbmlover on Jan 29, 2006, 08:54 AM

Thank You Ethan

Got more info on the link you gave.

I'am new to this site - just got registered yesterday. Wow it is really great to be here to talk to people who feel the same about the movie.
BBM has swooped me off. I have sincerly fallen in love with this movie.

You are welcome. As you wander around in the forum, you will find a lot of great posts from people who share their stories and thought on this terrific movie. Again welcome and hope to read more posts from you. Enjoy your time here.

Titus · « **Reply #4 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 03:05 PM »

Having seen the movie for the third time in a week this afternoon I paid specail attention to the second tent scene. With both hands to my ears (looking no doubt like Mickey Mouse sitting in the third row!) I am positive I only heard Jack say "It's alright" THREE times. I had agreed before with those who thought Ennis had apologised on entering the tent, but with hat in hand and his general demeanour, he didn't need to say "I'm sorry" it was obvious. Cheers, Titus.

BBM Fan · « **Reply #5 on:** Dec 19, 2006, 09:01 PM »

It looks like this thread ended a year ago, but I'm new here and am just reading it.

I muted my TV once & watched the closed captions all the way through to catch every word - since they mumble. While it wasn't totally accurate, it did clear up a lot of words for me.

In the SNIT the captions said "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, It's all right". I assumed that Jack said all of that & couldn't figure out why he was apologizing except for possibly dragging Ennis into something he was reluctant to do. I never thought it was Ennis apologizing - know I've got to watch it for the 15th time! You are probably right - that makes more sense. They barely move their lips, so it's difficult to tell.

I'd be interested in other's thoughts.

NoReins · « **Reply #6 on:** Dec 20, 2006, 02:56 AM »

Hi BBM Fan

First time I saw the movie I was convinced Ennis said "I'm sorry" once or twice when he entered the tent - sorry for being rough the night before, sorry for riding off without a word in the morning and, maybe most of all, sorry for not knowing what to do...asking Jack to show him, if you like.

However, I no longer believe that to be the case. Now, I'm almost certain that it's only Jack who speaks and that he says "It's alright" (or "s'alright") three times. Try saying it...your lips don't need to move to do so. Watching really closely, Jack has his mouth slightly open every time the words are heard, while Ennis's mouth stays shut, making it almost impossible for it to have been Ennis who spoke, regardless of what the subtitles say.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #7 on:** Dec 20, 2006, 07:15 AM »

I hear Ennis saying "I'm sorry" twice and then Jack says S' right". 2 times. Ennis sort of slurrs it out so that it's barely audible but This is what I hear. Ennis had to say something for Jack to be nodding and saying S'right"

welshwitch · « **Reply #8 on:** Dec 20, 2006, 08:49 AM »

I hear Jack saying "Can I kiss you?" before he does, but no-one else has ever mentioned this - nevertheless, I hear it.

BBM Fan · « **Reply #9 on:** Dec 20, 2006, 09:13 PM »

Thanks, NoReins, Aintfoolin & Welshwitch...

"Can I kiss you?" That's the first time i heard that, but it gets my vote. How sweet! In fact, i went back & took another look and think that Jack does do all the talking. I think i heard all of this: "Come here, Can I kiss you, sorry, sorry, it's all right". Did anyone hear "come here?" - right before he moves in for the kiss. It's so faint - like everything else. His lips barely move, but I tried it and it can be done. Do you think this was all dubbed in afterward? Whatever they're saying, this scene is hot!

welshwitch · « **Reply #10 on:** Dec 21, 2006, 09:05 AM »

Yes, I heard almost exactly that, except that i wasn;t sure whether he was saying "I'm sorry" or slurring "It's alright."

jackster · « **Reply #11 on:** Dec 21, 2006, 10:38 AM »

What a great artist Ang Lee is! We all hear what we want to hear, what we think will make this scene the powerful and moving and critical scene that it is. It's the "sweet nothings" of love making which are different for everyone and can change within ourselves with each viewing depending on how we feel right then. It takes incredible discipline to know how much is enough and how much is too much to strike this perfect cinematic balance. This is what will make this movie so meaningful for years and decades to come, the infinite variety of interpretations it allows all along the way.

jackster

lauren · « **Reply #12 on:** Dec 21, 2006, 11:29 AM »

i think i heard 'it's alright' too....jack was trying to tell ennis that its okay to love him...i guess

aintfoolin · « **Reply #13 on:** Dec 21, 2006, 11:43 AM »

This is why I"m sure that Ennis slurs out "I'm sorry", Sorry for the way he treated Jack earlier, sorry for the "rough" treatment in FNIT?, sorry for leaving Jack in limbo about how he felt in reality. My opinion. Jack says S'all right then.

NoReins · « **Reply #14 on:** Dec 22, 2006, 04:58 AM »

Quote from: aintfoolin on Dec 21, 2006, 11:43 AM

This is why I"m sure that Ennis slurs out "I'm sorry", Sorry for the way he treated Jack earlier, sorry for the "rough" treatment in FNIT?, sorry for leaving Jack in limbo about how he felt in reality. My opinion. Jack says S'all right then.

Yes, that's what I thought to start with....but it could equally be Jack just picking up on Ennis's nerves/fear/whatever and trying to calm him by saying "It's alright" repeatedly. It's alright to kiss me....it's alright to touch me....it's alright to do whatever you want because it's just us and no-one else has to know.

But that's just my opinion and it really could be either.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #15 on:** Dec 22, 2006, 06:23 AM »

I agree , It could have been both, different people see and hear different things in this scene. It is like alot in this film, open for the veiwers to interpret. But what ever they said to each other verbally, the eyes were saying much more than any words could say. It was so beautifully acted and very romantic. I loved that guitar playing in the background....PERFECT.

tpe · « **Reply #16 on:** Dec 22, 2006, 08:32 AM »

Quote from: lauren on Dec 21, 2006, 11:29 AM

i think i heard 'it's alright' too....jack was trying to tell ennis that its okay to love him...i guess

Yes, I do think he said 'its alright'

But you have said its meaning most beautifully: 'its ok to love me.'

BBM Fan · « **Reply #17 on:** Dec 22, 2006, 09:06 PM »

Quote from: jackster on Dec 21, 2006, 10:38 AM

What a great artist Ang Lee is! We all hear what we want to hear, what we think will make this scene the powerful and moving and critical scene that it is. It's the "sweet nothings" of love making which are different for everyone and can change within ourselves with each viewing depending on how we feel right then. It takes incredible discipline to know how much is enough and how much is too much to strike this perfect cinematic balance. This is what will make this movie so meaningful for years and decades to come, the infinite variety of interpretations it allows all along the way.

jackster

Hello Jackster: You're exactly right. Ang Lee is a genius. He gave us just enough to make us want more & to question what was being said & thought. The SNIT is the most beautiful scene i have ever seen. It is so mesmerizing.

I saw a picture of Ang on the set with Heath & Jake. He was giving them some instruction (during the scene when Jack comes to Heath's home after hearing of the divorce - girls in truck), & they were listening so intently to him. It was an amazing picture. I also heard an interview with Jake & he said he was so worried that the love scenes wouldn't look real. Boy did he underestimate himself!

And i agree with aintfoolin -

they didn't need to say words, their eyes and movements said it all. The lighting & music is absolutely beautiful.

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #18 on:** Dec 22, 2006, 09:58 PM »

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Quote from: lauren on Dec 21, 2006, 11:29 AM

i think i heard 'it's alright' too....jack was trying to tell ennis that its okay to love him...i guess

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Quote from: NoReins on Dec 22, 2006, 04:58 AM

Yes, that's what I thought to start with....but it could equally be Jack just picking up on Ennis's nerves/fear/whatever and trying to calm him by saying "It's alright" repeatedly. It's alright to kiss me....it's alright to touch me....it's alright to do whatever you want because it's just us and no-one else has to know.

But that's just my opinion and it really could be either.

Beautiful posts! :\'( I had always heard it as "It's alright". I love SNIT- it is just so tenderly romantic and perfect. Ennis enters hesitantly as he is starting to come to terms with "this thing" and Jack is just so gentle and comforting.

CrimsonSky · « **Reply #19 on:** Dec 23, 2006, 08:47 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Dec 20, 2006, 08:49 AM

I hear Jack saying "Can I kiss you?" before he does, but no-one else has ever mentioned this - nevertheless, I hear it.

OMG! I remember thinking that Jack said "wanna kiss you" there, but it was one of those where sometimes I'd hear it and sometimes I didn't, then I saw the discussions about the whole "I'm sorry"/"It's alright" thing and no-one ever mentioned anything else, so I thought it was just Jack's loud breathing and I was imagining it, like when people say they can hear hidden messages when you play a record backwards. Looks like this is just the excuse I need to watch that scene again

BBM Fan · « **Reply #20 on:** Dec 23, 2006, 10:06 PM »

Quote from: CrimsonSky on Dec 23, 2006, 08:47 PM

Quote from: welshwitch on Dec 20, 2006, 08:49 AM
I hear Jack saying "Can I kiss you?" before he does, but no-one else has ever mentioned this - nevertheless, I hear it.

OMG! I remember thinking that Jack said "wanna kiss you" there, but it was one of those where sometimes I'd hear it and sometimes I didn't, then I saw the discussions about the whole "I'm sorry"/"It's alright" thing and no-one ever mentioned anything else, so I thought it was just Jack's loud breathing and I was imagining it, like when people say they can hear hidden messages when you play a record backwards. Looks like this is just the excuse I need to watch that scene again

I have played it over & over since welshwitch's comment, & he does say that - I can mostly just hear "kiss you". You have to listen very carefully because the music is louder there. I can hear it better in a couple of the videos on youtube.com

OT - sorry - came to mind - has anyone watched the "Brokeback Flashback" video on youtube? it is set to Pat Metheny's "Spiritual" and is in slow motion - it's 4 min. long & is absolutely beautiful. I should post this in another thread.

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #21 on:** Dec 23, 2006, 10:08 PM »

Hmmm I never heard wanna kiss you but being the devoted Brokie I am, I'll just have to research that repeatedly until I hear it.

BBM Fan- I've seen that vid- it's beautiful.

I think there's a link to it in the collection of videos.

BBM Fan · « **Reply #22 on:** Dec 23, 2006, 10:30 PM »

Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Dec 23, 2006, 10:08 PM

Hmmm I never heard wanna kiss you but being the devoted Brokie I am, I'll just have to research that repeatedly until I hear it.

BBM Fan- I've seen that vid- it's beautiful. I think there's a link to it in the collection of videos.

LuvJackNasty - I would have attached the link, but i haven't been on this site long enough and don't think i can do it. If someone does a search with "brokeback flashback", i think it's the only one that comes up. Now go do your research on that SNIT "wanna kiss". I think you'll be surprised when you barely hear it - i was. Let us know.

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #23 on:** Dec 23, 2006, 10:41 PM »

I just watched it 4 times and didn't hear it $:-\\$

I had the volume all the way up and the speaker up to my ear. I'll try it later with the headphones. It's such a hardship

BBM Fan · « **Reply #24 on:** Dec 23, 2006, 10:55 PM »

Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Dec 23, 2006, 10:41 PM

I just watched it 4 times and didn't hear it :- I had the volume all the way up and the speaker up to my ear. I'll try it later with the headphones. It's such a hardship

Luv: I could only hear it in the movie after hearing it on a video. Go to youtube.com and do a search for "ennis & jack's best moments" - you can hear it there and while you're at it - see if you think that just before he moves in for the kiss, jack barely says, "come here". someone mentioned that on this site and i checked it out & could hear that too. (or is it just wishful thinking?)

You've got your work cut out for you.

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #25 on:** Dec 23, 2006, 11:02 PM »

OMG I thought i heard "come here"!

But I didn't hear the kiss you part. I;m going to check out You tube- thanks

Twisted · « **Reply #26 on:** Dec 24, 2006, 03:25 AM »

I hear: Ennis: I'm sorry. Jack: It's allright, it's allright.. Come here.

BBM Fan · « **Reply #27 on:** Dec 24, 2006, 03:44 AM »

Quote from: Twisted on Dec 24, 2006, 03:25 AM

I hear: Ennis: I'm sorry. Jack: It's allright, it's allright.. Come here.

Twisted: I hadn't heard THAT "come here", but just listened to it again & think you're right. But - I hear this - come here, can i kiss you - then they kiss, then 2 I'm sorry's, it's all right and then another "come here". it's all so quiet & i have to use headphones. Do you hear all that? I go back & forth on who says the "I'm sorrys". Also - to confuse us more, what is said during the reunion kisses? I think Ennis says "come here". Are we obsessed or what? :-\

Del Mar Twist · « **Reply #28 on:** Dec 24, 2006, 03:35 PM »

I blasted my TV, and put on my head phones, and Jack says everything. I listened to it with both Closed Caption on my TV, and Subtitles on my DVD, and here is what Jack says.

I'm Sorry.

It's All Right.

It's All Right.

Lie Back. Come On.

I take the "I'm Sorry." being about the kiss since Ennis was pulling away and turning his head slightly, but Jack kissed him, then he said "It's All Right. It's All Right." after and shook his head when he knew Ennis was all right with it. Then as he pulls Ennis onto his chest and lays back down he says, "Lie Back. Come On."

Del Mar Twist · « **Reply #29 on:** Dec 24, 2006, 03:44 PM »

Quote from: BBM Fan on Dec 24, 2006, 03:44 AM

Also - to confuse us more, what is said during the reunion kisses?

Ennis: Jack fu**in' Twist

Jack: Son of A Bitch

Ennis: Come Here