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Title: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: frenchcda on Jan 29, 2006, 09:59 PM
Brokeback Mountain and cast no honor at the SAG Awards!
  Not a single awards was given out to BBM cast in any category nor for the best movie, it went to " Crash " quite appropriated for the way I feel about the SAG, it totally boggled my mind I don't get it, if it is their peer that votes for the honors, well they seems to diss what the critics have put out there since BBM came out, it kinda tells me that they are really living in some LA LA Land, go figure?
??? :'( :'(
Title: Re: BBM TV Alerts (Next: SAG Awards Sunday January 29th)
Post by: coguaro on Jan 30, 2006, 04:56 AM
Can somebody explain to me how is it possible that BBM fail like this in SAG awards?

thank you
coguaro
Title: Re: BBM TV Alerts (Next: SAG Awards Sunday January 29th)
Post by: rabjr1 on Jan 30, 2006, 06:48 AM
Actors - go figure.

One has to look at the politics of any group to find the reasons we want.  Losing out on the SAG is disappointing however aren't we all going into these awards with our own bias?  PSH is an outstanding actor (Flawless) and deserves resognition.  There might be a bias AGAINST HL  that we are not aware of.  We want this film to win for PERSONAL reasons and not (maybe - my opioion) for artistic/ etc reasons.

Ebert and Ropert (FAt Man and Little Boy)  didn't rate BBM #1 in their top ten list.

"Crash" was an esemble piece and as such I would say deserves it more than BBM (so shoot me)  "Crash" had a larger cast with excellent performances from each.  Ensemble for BBM might have to have included the sheep.

What's with "ensemble" anyways?

Title: Re: BBM TV Alerts (Next: SAG Awards Sunday January 29th)
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 09:17 AM
Actors - go figure.

One has to look at the politics of any group to find the reasons we want.  Losing out on the SAG is disappointing however aren't we all going into these awards with our own bias?  PSH is an outstanding actor (Flawless) and deserves resognition.  There might be a bias AGAINST HL  that we are not aware of.  We want this film to win for PERSONAL reasons and not (maybe - my opioion) for artistic/ etc reasons.

Ebert and Ropert (FAt Man and Little Boy)  didn't rate BBM #1 in their top ten list.

"Crash" was an esemble piece and as such I would say deserves it more than BBM (so shoot me)  "Crash" had a larger cast with excellent performances from each.  Ensemble for BBM might have to have included the sheep.

What's with "ensemble" anyways?



Hello rabjr1.  I respect your opinion on this.  But I continue to insist that BBM was superior to Crash in terms of literary, artistic, and acting merit.

As I said in another post, Capote was briliantly acted, but the acting struck me as facile and pure surface brilliance.  It is easy to build up a character when there are hundreds of recordings, tapes,and accounts of the true Capote. Ledger had to create the character of Ennis on his own.

Hoffman certainly portrayed a great American writer who was gay.  But the portrayal of artists and idiosycratic  characters who are gay is not that groundbreaking anymore.  But to portray gay/bisexual characters as REAL people!  SAG still has to figure this one out.  As I said in one of my posts, I am sure a number of the actors who voted against BBM would not have considered taking on the roles that Ledger and Gyllenhaal built up so magnificently -- because of their concern that the roles would ruin their careers.  Was this not the initial reaction circulating in Hollywood when BBM was cast back in 2003-2004?  It strikes me as a bit hypocritical -- and perhaps a tinge of guilt or envy at something they did not have the courage to do.

I am from Chicago, and I have learned not to take the local duo Ebert and Ropert that seriously these days...
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 11:58 AM
Crash is not a better film than Brokeback at all.  But Ebert is entitled to his taste.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 12:28 PM
To be honest, the only surprise for me was Jake.  I thought he would win, I saw Cinderella Man and
Paul was great but it was a one note thing for me, Jake had to play ages and be sexually agressive with a man
on screen (not like its done a lot)  so that one surprised me.I'll bet it was close voting guys.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: ethan on Jan 30, 2006, 12:35 PM
To be honest, the only surprise for me was Jake.  I thought he would win, I saw Cinderella Man and
Paul was great but it was a one note thing for me, Jake had to play ages and be sexually agressive with a man
on screen (not like its done a lot)  so that one surprised me.I'll bet it was close voting guys.

I would think so. I have not seen any other movies at all nominated in every category so I can't compare. (I will watch it after the Oscar and rent them  :D).

I think it is close voting for BBM cast - Heath, Jake and Michelle and Best Ensemble - second place.  :) Winning would be great but for them, it has been quite an accomplishment for their performance. What other movies have made us to talk about in a forum only devoted to that movie? Not even many trophies or life achievement award can do.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: rabjr1 on Jan 30, 2006, 12:49 PM
tpe

Saw "C" only once so my eval. might need another viewing.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 01:41 PM
I'm sort of over it now, I mean like Ethan said we just have high expectations for "our movie" and that doesn't mean there aren't other worthy performances and casts. 

I still feel certain it will win best film and director.  And it's not like Jake and Heath didn't get any else out of this   ;)  They are both the most sought after actors now.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 02:04 PM
To be honest, the only surprise for me was Jake.  I thought he would win, I saw Cinderella Man and
Paul was great but it was a one note thing for me, Jake had to play ages and be sexually agressive with a man
on screen (not like its done a lot)  so that one surprised me.I'll bet it was close voting guys.

I would think so. I have not seen any other movies at all nominated in every category so I can't compare. (I will watch it after the Oscar and rent them  :D).

I think it is close voting for BBM cast - Heath, Jake and Michelle and Best Ensemble - second place.  :) Winning would be great but for them, it has been quite an accomplishment for their performance. What other movies have made us to talk about in a forum only devoted to that movie? Not even many trophies or life achievement award can do.

ethan, I really appreciate you positive outlook.  But I am still mightily P*SSED at how SAG teated BBM.  The only comfort for me is that years from now when BBM becomes established as one of the 21st Century films to remember (and I DON'T doubt this a second), the SAG Awards 2006 will be known to posterity as a veritable dinner of Philistines.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 02:10 PM
I don't know, there are just too many awards in my book.

You know Paul Giamotti didn't get an OScar nomination for Sideways so consider it Karma,
he really should have.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 02:20 PM
I don't know, there are just too many awards in my book.

You know Paul Giamotti didn't get an OScar nomination for Sideways so consider it Karma,
he really should have.

Toadily, I guess I am just irritated that the SAG Awards has now been interpreted by the media as a snub (or slap?) at BBM.  In a lot of ways, I feel like agreeing with this 100%.  Plus the awkward publicity of it all would soften critical resolve in the minds of some of the 'weak minded'.  Excuse this sarcasm, but even if the SAG awards does not really have a direct influence on the Oscars, it still makes it look like all the enormous critical parise and response to BBM is just smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 02:28 PM
I don't know, there are just too many awards in my book.

You know Paul Giamotti didn't get an OScar nomination for Sideways so consider it Karma,
he really should have.

Toadily, I guess I am just irritated that the SAG Awards has now been interpreted by the media as a snub (or slap?) at BBM.  In a lot of ways, I feel like agreeing with this 100%.  Plus the awkward publicity of it all would soften critical resolve in the minds of some of the 'weak minded'.  Excuse this sarcasm, but even if the SAG awards does not really have a direct influence on the Oscars, it still makes it look like all the enormous critical parise and response to BBM is just smoke and mirrors.

That's an interesting point, although remember at the GG's the outcome was the same except they wouldn't even accept Jake as supporting actor.  And then Ang won, the movie and the screen play.  So we have to look at this that way too.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 02:41 PM
I don't know, there are just too many awards in my book.

You know Paul Giamotti didn't get an OScar nomination for Sideways so consider it Karma,
he really should have.

Toadily, I guess I am just irritated that the SAG Awards has now been interpreted by the media as a snub (or slap?) at BBM.  In a lot of ways, I feel like agreeing with this 100%.  Plus the awkward publicity of it all would soften critical resolve in the minds of some of the 'weak minded'.  Excuse this sarcasm, but even if the SAG awards does not really have a direct influence on the Oscars, it still makes it look like all the enormous critical parise and response to BBM is just smoke and mirrors.

That's an interesting point, although remember at the GG's the outcome was the same except they wouldn't even accept Jake as supporting actor.  And then Ang won, the movie and the screen play.  So we have to look at this that way too.

Toadily, if I understand you correctly here, you are saying that unequivocal praise for the acting on BBM has not been shared in the Industry; i.e., praise for the screenplay, the director, and the film overall is found aplenty, but not enough for the acting to bring home award winning performances.   

I agree that in the Industry's mind, the weakest part would be the young and inexperienced cast that was assembled for BBM.  In my opinion, the actors performed superbly -- in spite of their youth and inexperience.    I cannot help thinking that the Industry has convinced itself that the best they can do for these wonderful young actors at this time would be to give them nominations, but not to make them win.

In any case, it would currently seem an uphill battle for any of the BBM cast to win an Oscar.  We can only hope for the best, I guess.  This should be no hardship on our part, as I am sure most people in this forum need no convincing that Ledger, Gyllenhaal, Williams, and Hathaway are all deserving of the very best.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 02:50 PM
I don't know, there are just too many awards in my book.

You know Paul Giamotti didn't get an OScar nomination for Sideways so consider it Karma,
he really should have.

Toadily, I guess I am just irritated that the SAG Awards has now been interpreted by the media as a snub (or slap?) at BBM.  In a lot of ways, I feel like agreeing with this 100%.  Plus the awkward publicity of it all would soften critical resolve in the minds of some of the 'weak minded'.  Excuse this sarcasm, but even if the SAG awards does not really have a direct influence on the Oscars, it still makes it look like all the enormous critical parise and response to BBM is just smoke and mirrors.

That's an interesting point, although remember at the GG's the outcome was the same except they wouldn't even accept Jake as supporting actor.  And then Ang won, the movie and the screen play.  So we have to look at this that way too.

Toadily, if I understand you correctly here, you are saying that unequivocal praise for the acting on BBM has not been shared in the Industry; i.e., praise for the screenplay, the director, and the film overall is found aplenty, but not enough for the acting to bring home award winning performances.   

I agree that in the Industry's mind, the weakest part would be the young and inexperienced cast that was assembled for BBM.  In my opinion, the actors performed superbly -- in spite of their youth and inexperience.    I cannot help thinking that the Industry has convinced itself that the best they can do for these wonderful young actors at this time would be to give them nominations, but not to make them win.

In any case, it would currently seem an uphill battle for any of the BBM cast to win an Oscar.  We can only hope for the best, I guess.  This should be no hardship on our part, as I am sure most people in this forum need no convincing that Ledger, Gyllenhaal, Williams, and Hathaway are all deserving of the very best.
I am just saying that you are talking about HIGHLY competitive catagories, and so I am saying that the praise is more than worthy there are just others that are doing great too.  And maybe partly due to their ages (Paul G and Philip) and the respect everyone has for those guys they might nudge out JAke and Heath.  That's all.  Everyone is duly impressed with both performances.  and they are getting the nominations, that's an honor itself let's not forget... I mean who DIDN'T get nominated... 

I guess I just think that we can't expect them to win everything.  We just can't, and that doesnt mean they are getting snubbed in my mind.  Voting is a weird process too, someone may cancel out another (think Gore and NAder) etc.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 03:06 PM
TPE,

I do respect your opinion and reaction though, I don't mean to say I don't.  I just want to be sure we know how personalized this movie is for us and thus we are going to take
these awards shows too seriously, like they are our kids or something.  I mean, to put it into perspective, who remembers who won an academy award say 2 years ago...but we do remember some movie that gets to us like this one.  Famoulsy Ernest Borgnine won an academy award and then went on to do Television basically.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 03:08 PM
I am just saying that you are talking about HIGHLY competitive catagories, and so I am saying that the praise is more than worthy there are just others that are doing great too.  And maybe partly due to their ages (Paul G and Philip) and the respect everyone has for those guys they might nudge out JAke and Heath.  That's all.  Everyone is duly impressed with both performances.  and they are getting the nominations, that's an honor itself let's not forget... I mean who DIDN'T get nominated... 


Yes, I agree with this.  Especially the part I bold-faced.

Ledger is obviously a relative 'outsider'.  As for Gyllenhaal -- he is certainly a Hollywood insider, but I suspect that, with his family background, he has to deal with a lot of Hollywood insider politics that come with the territory.

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I guess I just think that we can't expect them to win everything.  We just can't, and that doesnt mean they are getting snubbed in my mind.  Voting is a weird process too, someone may cancel out another (think Gore and NAder) etc.

I agree to a point.  Nominations are honors in their own right. But to give BBM the most nominations and then bestow zero wins is a bit much, IMO.  Indeed, the categories are very competitive, but Ledger (at the very least) was quite equal to any of his rivals --  certainly with Hoffman.  Both of us seem to agree that Gyllenhaal looked like he had a good chance (relative to the competition).  And Williams compensated in quality when her actually screen time was small compared to the others in her category -- and why not? --  the protagonists were two men!

:)
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 03:21 PM
I am just saying that you are talking about HIGHLY competitive catagories, and so I am saying that the praise is more than worthy there are just others that are doing great too.  And maybe partly due to their ages (Paul G and Philip) and the respect everyone has for those guys they might nudge out JAke and Heath.  That's all.  Everyone is duly impressed with both performances.  and they are getting the nominations, that's an honor itself let's not forget... I mean who DIDN'T get nominated... 


Yes, I agree with this.  Especially the part I bold-faced.

Ledger is obviously a relative 'outsider'.  As for Gyllenhaal -- he is certainly a Hollywood insider, but I suspect that, with his family background, he has to deal with a lot of Hollywood insider politics that come with the territory.

Quote
I guess I just think that we can't expect them to win everything.  We just can't, and that doesnt mean they are getting snubbed in my mind.  Voting is a weird process too, someone may cancel out another (think Gore and NAder) etc.

I agree to a point.  Nominations are honors in their own right. But to give BBM the most nominations and then bestow zero wins is a bit much, IMO.  Indeed, the categories are very competitive, but Ledger (at the very least) was quite equal to any of his rivals --  certainly with Hoffman.  Both of us seem to agree that Gyllenhaal looked like he had a good chance (relative to the competition).  And Williams compensated in quality when her actually screen time was small compared to the others in her category -- and why not? --  the protagonists were two men!

:)


I always remember too that Peter O'Toole never won an Oscar.  Nor Hitchcock.  So I kinda put it into perspective.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 03:21 PM
TPE,

I do respect your opinion and reaction though, I don't mean to say I don't.  I just want to be sure we know how personalized this movie is for us and thus we are going to take
these awards shows too seriously, like they are our kids or something.  I mean, to put it into perspective, who remembers who won an academy award say 2 years ago...but we do remember some movie that gets to us like this one.  Famoulsy Ernest Borgnine won an academy award and then went on to do Television basically.

Thanks.  In some sense, my reaction to all this is like seeing a favorite godson being bullied.  Nothing can change the high esteem I have for this movie, and I certainly don't want it subjected to any hint of ridicule or get shown in a bad light...
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 03:24 PM
TPE,

I do respect your opinion and reaction though, I don't mean to say I don't.  I just want to be sure we know how personalized this movie is for us and thus we are going to take
these awards shows too seriously, like they are our kids or something.  I mean, to put it into perspective, who remembers who won an academy award say 2 years ago...but we do remember some movie that gets to us like this one.  Famoulsy Ernest Borgnine won an academy award and then went on to do Television basically.

Thanks.  In some sense, my reaction to all this is like seeing a favorite godson being bullied.  Nothing can change the high esteem I have for this movie, and I certainly don't want it subjected to any hint of ridicule or get shown in a bad light...

I agree, but remember too Hollywood is probably a little freaked out, I mean this is a Focus film.  Their big budget films, like Kong,  didn't fare as well as expected adn then this little
low budget thing shows up and garners all the nominations...holy crap! I mean it's like an earth quake in a way.  So it's like showing up at cocktail party in tennis shoes and getting all the girls!
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 03:27 PM
So it's like showing up at cocktail party in tennis shoes and getting all the girls!

...or all the guys.  ;)
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 03:29 PM
So it's like showing up at cocktail party in tennis shoes and getting all the girls!

...or all the guys.  ;)

Tee hee, there's that too. I mean remember Madonna called the movie "Shocking" this is stil a new thing here.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 30, 2006, 03:31 PM
tpe and Toadily..shall we leave you too alone...my my ...what a thread!!! LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 03:33 PM
tpe and Toadily..shall we leave you too alone...my my ...what a thread!!! LOL  ;D

Care to join?  A threesome, perhaps? ;)
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 30, 2006, 03:42 PM
tpe and Toadily..shall we leave you too alone...my my ...what a thread!!! LOL  ;D

Care to join?  A threesome, perhaps? ;)

nah...I'll leave you two alone...LOL!
Have fun ;)
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: ethan on Jan 30, 2006, 03:45 PM
I love reading these posts (in a respectful way). I am more grateful to take the BBM experiences from the movie than how many awards it has received. It matters - to me they are only accessories.

I know I know..it is hard to swallow. Just like football teams all wanting to win Superbowl but there can be only one winner at a time. There are still a lot of chances.

We are actually talking about many years for these young cast. I think their opportunities are abundant. With awards like SAG even the Oscar, it is not only the performances. They are also influenced by politics, lobbying, and one poster even suggests that sometimes voters don't even see all the movies to cast their votes. And unless it is clear cut for the winner, it is even impossible to objectively evaluate the performance sometimes. (keep in mind I am no movie expert)

I always feel that it is so refreshing to see these young actors in this movie. Do they deserve something? Yes they do. You guys have already given them so much more than many other actors (like the guy whose name is PSH >:() have received.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 30, 2006, 03:47 PM
I always feel that it is so refreshing to see these young actors in this movie. Do they deserve something? Yes they do. You guys have already given them so much more than many other actors (like the guy whose name is PSH >:() have received.


PSH who? The PSH tha he can't even 'bloody' shave!!!!!!!!!! excuse my french!
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 03:47 PM
tpe and Toadily..shall we leave you too alone...my my ...what a thread!!! LOL  ;D

Care to join?  A threesome, perhaps? ;)

Hey I see it now  "ManyBacks Mountain" the story of three moderators who find love
despite societal rules.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: ethan on Jan 30, 2006, 03:48 PM
ethan, I really appreciate you positive outlook.  But I am still mightily P*SSED at how SAG teated BBM.  The only comfort for me is that years from now when BBM becomes established as one of the 21st Century films to remember (and I DON'T doubt this a second), the SAG Awards 2006 will be known to posterity as a veritable dinner of Philistines.

You are welcome, tpe ;) and you are right.

To tell you the truth, I already forgot some of the winners' names from last night and I was even typing their names in the live thread. And guess what we are still here talking about Brokeback Mountain and I am going to see it again (I hope) tomorrow after the Oscar nominations.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 03:51 PM
I always feel that it is so refreshing to see these young actors in this movie. Do they deserve something? Yes they do. You guys have already given them so much more than many other actors (like the guy whose name is PSH >:() have received.


PSH who? The PSH tha he can't even 'bloody' shave!!!!!!!!!! excuse my french!

Tee hee, we dont' like PSH now.  It's so funny...  it's like in the movie, I dont like
Randall, I mean he hits on our boy -
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 03:58 PM
And guess what we are still here talking about Brokeback Mountain and I am going to see it again (I hope) tomorrow after the Oscar nominations.

This would indeed be very apt, and quite a nice gesture.  I should probabaly do the same.

I shall make this promise NOW: from today thru next Monday, I promise to see BBM FOR AS MANY NOMINATIONS THAT IT LOST IN THE SAG AWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I swear.... ;)
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: ethan on Jan 30, 2006, 03:59 PM
Tee hee, we dont' like PSH now.  It's so funny...  it's like in the movie, I dont like
Randall, I mean he hits on our boy -

<OT> I saw a few seconds of clip for PSH during the best actor prsentation, gotta tell you - didn't do anything for me.

But OMG - the clips for Jake and Michelle....the highlights of their characters. These are what one would call best supporting.

<now back to the topic>

My partner works in the industry dealing with a lot of SAG people auditioning for jobs. He said the results are not surprising.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 04:00 PM
Tee hee, we dont' like PSH now.  It's so funny...  it's like in the movie, I dont like
Randall, I mean he hits on our boy -

<OT> I saw a few seconds of clip for PSH during the best actor prsentation, gotta tell you - didn't do anything for me.

But OMG - the clips for Jake and Michelle....the highlights of their characters. These are what one would call best supporting.

<now back to the topic>

My partner works in the industry dealing with a lot of SAG people auditioning for jobs. He said the results are not surprising.

Interesting...yeah it doesn't surprise me either.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: ethan on Jan 30, 2006, 04:01 PM
This would indeed be very apt, and quite a nice gesture.  I should probabaly do the same.

I shall make this promise NOW: from today thru next Monday, I promise to see BBM FOR AS MANY NOMINATIONS THAT IT LOST IN THE SAG AWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I swear.... ;)

I like that, tpe. I will join you so that is 4 more for me.  :) I wish it were more (no..just kidding). I will do whatever to support BBM.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: rabjr1 on Jan 30, 2006, 04:07 PM
I liked "Sideways" and Paul Giamatti was great in it but the only thing I got out of that movie was a great line whenever I go into "Spirtis of _____" package store and snarl "I'm not drinking MERLOT!"  Then got snubbed by the clerk because they don't keep reds in the cooler.  (who know you don't chlll reds?) And room temperature?  Nothing I drink ever stays in the bottle/glass long enough to reach room teperature

ps: Is the glass half full or half empty?  If is water it is half full, if it is Budweiser it is half empty.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: stephan on Jan 30, 2006, 04:18 PM
Hi everyone, I don't know what SAG awards are, but from what you're all saying, I have an awful feeling that oscars are not going to happen. If that happens though, it won't change anything about what BBM has meant to all of us and to the people who'll be watching it for the next one thousand years  ;D  Stephan
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: rabjr1 on Jan 30, 2006, 04:24 PM
SAG - Screen Actors Guild.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 04:28 PM
Hi everyone, I don't know what SAG awards are, but from what you're all saying, I have an awful feeling that oscars are not going to happen. If that happens though, it won't change anything about what BBM has meant to all of us and to the people who'll be watching it for the next one thousand years  ;D  Stephan

Hello stephan.

Brokeback Mountain is still widely considered to be the frontrunner for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Adapted Screenplay at the Oscars.  The SAG (Screen Actors Guild) Awards have really no direct influence, although from this and the Golden Globes, it seems that Ledger, Gyllenhaal, Williams, and Hathaway would fight a very tough battle to win any awards for themselves.  I am sure that Ledger, Gyllenhaal, and Williams will be nominated for the Oscars (my heart goes out to Hathaway!) -- but it will be rough sailing winning in their respective categories. 

If BBM is probably going to win Best Picture, you may ask why are things seeminly bad.  From my perspective, I do wish some award recognition would be given to ANY ONE of the magnificent young actors on BBM.  As I said before, thay all deserve the very best.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 30, 2006, 04:29 PM
I'm so mad at the SAG at the moment..poor Jake and poor Michelle, they sooooo deserved it (Heath is not in my good books at mo..I don't like tea)!!

But hey tomorrow is oscar nomination day..i cant wait!
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 04:31 PM
(Heath is not in my good books at mo..I don't like tea)!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 04:34 PM
I'm so mad at the SAG at the moment..poor Jake and poor Michelle, they sooooo deserved it (Heath is not in my good books at mo..I don't like tea)!!

But hey tomorrow is oscar nomination day..i cant wait!

What?  tea?  am I missing something?
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2006, 04:36 PM
I'm so mad at the SAG at the moment..poor Jake and poor Michelle, they sooooo deserved it (Heath is not in my good books at mo..I don't like tea)!!

But hey tomorrow is oscar nomination day..i cant wait!

What?  tea?  am I missing something?

(http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/01/30/dd_sagawards192.jpg)

As was said in the other thread: half a teapot!!!!
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 04:39 PM
Ohhh, it's so funny, we are mad at him like he is our little brother or something!
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 04:41 PM
I'm going to do some google searching to see if there is any buzz about it. 
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 04:47 PM
I didn't find much buzz about Heath, I did find this in a report about the poorly written script for SAG:

"Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal got chuckles throughout their serious description of the plot of "Brokeback Mountain."
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Tim on Jan 30, 2006, 04:55 PM
Is there  a video link  to  the  SAGs anywhere on the  net with a  clip of  jake  and heath? Does  anyone  have it  on here?
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: ethan on Jan 30, 2006, 04:56 PM
http://www.oscarwatch.com/Awards/nomchart06.html

Oscarwatch has an excellent chart to track this award season. Feel free to draw your own prediction for the Oscar.

I still think Heath, Jake and Michelle will get nominated for the Oscar and face a tough battle. Maybe so far the chart is not in their favor. Nothing is certain until the red envelop is open on March 5.
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: ethan on Jan 30, 2006, 04:57 PM
Is there  a video link  to  the  SAGs anywhere on the  net with a  clip of  jake  and heath? Does  anyone  have it  on here?

Here is the post to the link (thanks again to froggy)

http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=979.msg9566#msg9566
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: Toadily on Jan 30, 2006, 05:02 PM
Hey I have a new one!

"Best Half Drunk Performance by an Actor at an Awards Show"

Heath hands down!
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: stephan on Jan 30, 2006, 05:23 PM
Hey I have a new one!
"Best Half Drunk Performance by an Actor at an Awards Show"
Heath hands down!

Like it. Isn't in my good books either, but after I've gone to sleep and dreamed a bit I might change my mind !
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: rabjr1 on Jan 30, 2006, 08:24 PM
Maybe he lost a bet.

I remember once....well......it was in the Navy....."Crossing Over"......(cross dressing).....over the equator......1972......been trying to get ALL prints of me in a blue silk shift, sequined bolero top, beehve bouffaint wig, stiletto heels....I could not believe that in the middle of the Pacific Ocean all these items were scrounged up for me to win a beauty contest as "Princess of the Sea"  I have not been the same since.......neither I believe have several of my shipmates
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: streetskater on Jan 30, 2006, 10:02 PM
Ha! It was hard to tell just what Heath was up to with that nelly gesture. There does seem to be something a little tongue in cheek with that pose though--so nicely captured here by TPE.  He and Jake sure stumbled through the Telepromters. I actually got a kick out of them.
I had no idea, till I watched Heath doing interviews, that he was such a shy and introverted man.

I'd guess that if Gyllenhaal & Heath had a real-world sexual encounter--Jake would TOP him in NY minute--and it would be Heath saying, "Call Me....?!
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: hidesert on Jan 30, 2006, 10:34 PM

You know Paul Giamotti didn't get an Oscar nomination for Sideways so consider it Karma,
he really should have.

Very true and GGA, SAG and Oscars do these "pay backs" for performances in previous years. 

"Sideways" was one film that the Globes and SAG loved but it left me cold.

Quite a few films were not recognized as masterpieces until years after their release - "It's a Wonderful Life" was one of them. 
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: tpe on Jan 31, 2006, 08:05 AM

You know Paul Giamotti didn't get an Oscar nomination for Sideways so consider it Karma,
he really should have.

Very true and GGA, SAG and Oscars do these "pay backs" for performances in previous years. 

"Sideways" was one film that the Globes and SAG loved but it left me cold.

Quite a few films were not recognized as masterpieces until years after their release - "It's a Wonderful Life" was one of them. 

I think everyone in SAG knows that BBM is a masterpiece.  It's just that many of them find it convenient to ignore it.  ;)
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 31, 2006, 02:54 PM
I think everyone in SAG knows that BBM is a masterpiece.  It's just that many of them find it convenient to ignore it.  ;)

Or maybe they all thought "oh well all the other SAG members are going to vote for BBM, so I'll vote for someone else"...and in the end BBM lost!!!
Title: Re: Why No SAG Awards for BBM?
Post by: backtobrokeback on Feb 05, 2006, 02:04 PM
I'm not at all surprised that BBM got nothing at the SAG awards.  Why?

1) Williams and Gyllenhaal are blazing new stars, but they're new.  Great work got them noms, but their competition (esp. in the actress part) was formidable.  They're both overcoming being 'child stars' in less-prestigious roles (Proof wasn't even noticed, sadly).

2) Ledger (I'd bet money) was a close second to PSH, not a far behind second place.  Still, PSH has a larger body of critically acclaimed work to draw on for prestige and 'deserves it'.  Sadly, awards are given for those reasons, not sheer acting ability alone, not based on objective criteria, or even on work within one year, or one film.  Ledger may still be doing penance for "A Knight's Tale". ;-)  Ledger deserves the Best Actor Oscar; PSH (and JPh) did imitations, evocations, much like Jamie Foxx in "Ray".  Exceptional and gifted acting, yes, but still more homage and stunt than building an original character. 

3) Ensemble Cast could not have gone to BBM; in fact, I wanted Crash to win.  Crash is a stunning film, and it is an ensemble piece; it's an actor's movie, and as such, was a lock for this type of award.  BBM had a *great* cast, but it was not an ensemble piece.  It was Ennis and Jack's movie, with ancillary (if wonderful) characters appearing occasionally.  This should not keep it from winning best picture.

Still, I'm predicting 4 Oscars (Picture, Director, Adapted Screenplay, and if the academy has a brain, Cinematography or Score, maybe both).  An award for Ledger would be icing on the cake, but it's unlikely, and frankly, I'd rather see this film get Best Picture.
People will go see it for that, not for 'Best Actor'.

-backtobrokeback