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Ennis and Jack's reunion - Possible Spoilers
« on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:50 AM »
It's been mentioned on another thread about the intensity of this scene, which I totally agree with, in fact, I think it's pretty darn hot!  Apart from it being a fantastically passionate scene to watch, it's also, again, amazing to see the character of Ennis and his yearning for Jack, but still with that element of fear - fear of being found out, fear of giving in to his innermost desires - but not being able to help it.   If you watch this scene closely (duh! as if you haven't already!), do you see how Ennis is kissing Jack so forcefully and passionately in a loving way, BUT he also is quite brutal, particularly in the way at the end when they finish kissing, and Jack touches Ennis's face one last time, and Ennis quickly pushes Jack's arm away, but can't resist one last touch of Jack's face?  I don't know if I'm getting across exactly what I mean, but you know how throughout the film, Ennis was shown to mix his love for Jack with brutal cruelty and violence (the scene before they have to leave BBM, which starts of as playfully loving but ends up with them fighting), I felt you got a slight view of that coming through again, but I would also argue that he almost gave in totally to his desires here, because after all it had been 4 years.

It was also really beautfiul when, during this scene, they stop kissing and just touch, head touching head, not needing words or actions at this point.

I'm sorry if this seems a slightly unclear post - I know what I mean in my head, but sometimes it doesn't always come out right - if you do know what I mean, please tell me!  Would love to know what others think about this scene too.

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« Reply #1 on: Feb 02, 2006, 08:00 AM »
It's been mentioned on another thread about the intensity of this scene, which I totally agree with, in fact, I think it's pretty darn hot!  Apart from it being a fantastically passionate scene to watch, it's also, again, amazing to see the character of Ennis and his yearning for Jack, but still with that element of fear - fear of being found out, fear of giving in to his innermost desires - but not being able to help it.   If you watch this scene closely (duh! as if you haven't already!), do you see how Ennis is kissing Jack so forcefully and passionately in a loving way, BUT he also is quite brutal, particularly in the way at the end when they finish kissing, and Jack touches Ennis's face one last time, and Ennis quickly pushes Jack's arm away, but can't resist one last touch of Jack's face?  I don't know if I'm getting across exactly what I mean, but you know how throughout the film, Ennis was shown to mix his love for Jack with brutal cruelty and violence (the scene before they have to leave BBM, which starts of as playfully loving but ends up with them fighting), I felt you got a slight view of that coming through again, but I would also argue that he almost gave in totally to his desires here, because after all it had been 4 years.

It was also really beautfiul when, during this scene, they stop kissing and just touch, head touching head, not needing words or actions at this point.

I'm sorry if this seems a slightly unclear post - I know what I mean in my head, but sometimes it doesn't always come out right - if you do know what I mean, please tell me!  Would love to know what others think about this scene too.



Yes, I fully agree that this scene is striking because of the mix of tenderness and earnestness with brutality and fear.  You describe the 'head touching head' aspect beautifully.  Also, note that before he rams Jack against the wall and kisses him, Ennis looks left and right to make sure nobody is looking.  Even then, drunk with emotion, he still has the built-in fear of being found out.  Reckless..., but unaccountably cautious in this detail...
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 02, 2006, 08:13 AM »
Oh, yes!  That is a greatly romantic scene. That's one clip I have and replay often.  Yes. near the end they are just head to head, winding down and then Ennis's eyes start shifting around (cause they are not exactly in a private area) he says "hey" and then he pushes Jack's hand away. But right after he gets Jack's hands off him Ennis touches Jack's face one last time and brushes his forehead against Jack's face.  He realizes his wife is waiting for them. But look at Jack's longing look as Ennis tucks in his shirt and walks away. Every moment of this scene is beautiful.  One of my favs.  Thanks for reminding me why!
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Re: Ennis and Jack's reunion - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #3 on: Feb 02, 2006, 08:52 AM »
Oh I'm so glad you got what I was trying to say!  I love that 'head touching head' moment, pure emotional love after 4 years, just being touched that way by the other person was what they both craved.  I also love that bit when Ennis starts putting his shirt back in as he walks away, with Jack looking,  longingly.  Jack's probably thinking "where's the nearest motel" right at that point!
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 05, 2006, 10:55 AM »
Yes yes yes!!  Perhaps Jack doesn't even know how Ennis will react at this point, but Ennis's passionate kisses and clutches leave him in no doubt.  One thing I always wonder about in this scene, though, is their facial expressions.  Jack's face is clenched and straining, almost in pain, as they are slamming each other against alternate walls.  Is he surprised by the force of Ennis's roughness or passion, or is he overcome with emotion at finally meeting his lips again after 4 years??

Ahhh.  And I love the way in which they cannot bear to be with Alma too long (poor girl though she is)--they rush away as Ennis brushes off her need for "smokes."  The first time I saw the movie, I was pleasantly jolted to see the next scene featuring the motel sign.  Perhaps the only time they were together under a roof . . . .

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« Reply #5 on: Feb 05, 2006, 11:29 AM »
One thing I always wonder about in this scene, though, is their facial expressions.  Jack's face is clenched and straining, almost in pain, as they are slamming each other against alternate walls.  Is he surprised by the force of Ennis's roughness or passion, or is he overcome with emotion at finally meeting his lips again after 4 years??
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 05, 2006, 02:43 PM »
One thing I always wonder about in this scene, though, is their facial expressions.  Jack's face is clenched and straining, almost in pain, as they are slamming each other against alternate walls.  Is he surprised by the force of Ennis's roughness or passion, or is he overcome with emotion at finally meeting his lips again after 4 years??
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In this scene right after the kiss, Jack is in a daze. He is owned.

God, that is a great feeling that everyone should experience. Rane - Thanks, you echoed what I was thinking but couldn't find the right term.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 05, 2006, 03:53 PM »
Definitely one of my favourite scenes  :-\ I start getting all hot even before the kiss, when Ennis is waiting upstairs, looking out the window. There is so much impatience and anticipation i that scene ! Then he stops looking, is half asleep, gets woken up by the sound of a car  :-\ :-\ goes to the window and smiles, can hardly get down the stairs fast enough, and then that hug  :'( :'( :'( :'(
I agree that Jack seems surprised at first, but he returns the kiss just as passionately. And Ennis breaking away reluctantly but touching foreheads until the last second. A throwback to the second tent scene  :P :P where Jack rubs noses and foreheads after the kiss. OMG what a scene ! Stephan

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Re: Ennis and Jack's reunion - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #8 on: Feb 05, 2006, 03:56 PM »
Definitely one of my favourite scenes  :-\ I start getting all hot even before the kiss, when Ennis is waiting upstairs, looking out the window. There is so much impatience and anticipation i that scene ! Then he stops looking, is half asleep, gets woken up by the sound of a car  :-\ :-\ goes to the window and smiles, can hardly get down the stairs fast enough, and then that hug  :'( :'( :'( :'(
I agree that Jack seems surprised at first, but he returns the kiss just as passionately. And Ennis breaking away reluctantly but touching foreheads until the last second. A throwback to the second tent scene  :P :P where Jack rubs noses and foreheads after the kiss. OMG what a scene ! Stephan

Well said!
Ennis does most of the rubbing...this is such a great scene!!! :D
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 05, 2006, 04:01 PM »
Oh, and this reunion starts with that twang of a guitar string, just like the start of the film. Brilliant !! It's like a tug at my guts. Stephan

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« Reply #10 on: Feb 05, 2006, 04:39 PM »
Perhaps the only time they were together under a roof . . . .

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« Reply #11 on: Feb 06, 2006, 01:10 AM »
What I really love about this scene is the look of pure delight on Ennis' face when he sees Jack.  It's the only time, outside of the summer on Brokeback, when he ever looks that happy.  Sigh...

I don't know about you guys, but sometimes I just want to slap Ennis upside the head and say, "C'mon, get it together!"

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 06, 2006, 03:34 AM »
I agree Camon, you just want Ennis to realise what he's got here with Jack.....surely that fantastically passionate kiss tells him that!

Apart from loving every single frame of this scene from start to finish, don't you just LOVE the way Ennis is with Jack when they go up to meet Alma?  He's like an excited little kid, bringing home his new best friend to meet his mum!!!  Obviously, I realise that this is a completely devastating situation for Alma, and I don't take that away from her, but don't you just love the way Ennis looks at Jack when Jack's telling Alma about his child and Lureen, he's looking at him with pure infactuation and lust, probably thinking "wait until I get you in that motel room...that kiss was just the start".

I think Jack was hoping things were going to start up again with Ennis, but had no idea that Ennis was going to be as obvious with his feelings as he was......the way that Ennis slams Jack against the wall, it's like 4 years of pent up frustration, desire, lust and love all expressing themselves.  Jack was probably looking a little dazed as it was usually Jack who took the lead in every intimate situation.

I love the scene in the motel room too......them being so close and just so relaxed being together....you can see it in their eyes.....just the fact that they are together again, alone, having probably just had fantastic, earth-shattering sex....just talking, enjoying being close to each other again.......

Gorgeous, beautiful, heartbreaking...... :'(

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« Reply #13 on: Feb 06, 2006, 08:53 AM »
I agree Camon, you just want Ennis to realise what he's got here with Jack.....surely that fantastically passionate kiss tells him that!
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I love the scene in the motel room too......them being so close and just so relaxed being together....you can see it in their eyes.....just the fact that they are together again, alone, having probably just had fantastic, earth-shattering sex....just talking, enjoying being close to each other again.......

Gorgeous, beautiful, heartbreaking...... :'(

So so true ! I'll only add this : there is the scene when they go back to BBMountain the first time, just before the "it could be like this always" dialogue, Ennis is on his back looking up at the stars, sending up a prayer of thanks. There's a look of joy !
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 07, 2006, 06:17 AM »
good posts guys.  i love this scene too.  i'm reading these posts and crying...thanks BBM....

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« Reply #15 on: Feb 07, 2006, 10:11 AM »
Just read the short story from the new yorker...

Usually the story in book form is much better than the films they get made into, even tho the films are great...IE LOTR, great films, greater books (even tho I read the books after seeing the film)

But in this case I absolutely got more out of seeing the film than reading the story. Very good story but it rushed  by very quickly and it didn't give me any of the feeling the film does. BUT... in the reunion scene, in the story when they break apart Ennis says "little darling" to Jack. That was just so awesome, he used the name he uses on his daughters and to me this shows that he is capable of loving Jack AND saying it  :)

I see in the motel scene that Ennis does give Jack more of how he feels and I feel it is right not to bring that to screen. But I wonder why they didn't bring that line into the movie? The movie is perfect with they way things AREN'T sayd and I like that, but I just wondered?
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 07, 2006, 04:30 PM »
It's my favorite favorite scene.  The release of four years of tension - plus the entire day of extreme tension.  The first time I saw the movie - when their lips came together in this scene, I was surprised.  I wasn't expecting it and I LOVE THAT about this movie.  (I'm glad actually that I didn't read the story until I saw the movie.  It allowed the element of not knowing).  And the brute passion of the scene.  And the fear, joy, oh everything.   I CANNOT wait to get my dvd and watch it forever.

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« Reply #17 on: Feb 07, 2006, 05:13 PM »
From the short story, there are great lines that describe the excitement and anticipation at this reunion.

"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them.

...From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

"Please to meet you,"said Jack,trembling like a run-out horse.

Do you think they ripped off each other's clothes once they got to the Siesta?

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« Reply #18 on: Feb 08, 2006, 04:07 AM »
Sharve, you'd better believe they ripped each other's clothes off.   I mean, how could they not?  I love the descriptions from the story about the electricity between them when talking to Alma.  Although really sad and heartbreaking from Alma's point of view, we all just want Ennis and Jack to be together and get to that motel as quickly as possible.  So many fantastic aspects of this scene....the build up, anticipation, nervousness from Ennis, the smile when he sees the truck, the hug (you can almost feel the electricity between them, not wanting to let each other go), Ennis taking charge and ramming Jack against that wall, the touching, the caressing, one last touch of Jack's face from Ennis, the tucking in of the shirt, the look of childish excitment from Ennis when Jack's talking to Alma......you can feel the lust and longing between them. 

I've said it once and I will say it again, the acting in this scene is amazing.

And that music, when it starts just after Jack and Ennis see each other......brings back all the memories for them (and for us) of Brokeback...... :'(
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 08, 2006, 04:22 PM »
The scene is so passionate. 4 years of self-denial starts going off there. It turns into a couple of days where Ennis does make a decision, that is he cares more about being with Jack than about his job. He'll stick with that choice for as long as he can. It's almost as if it's the only way he can assert himself against society's judgment. Stephan

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 25, 2006, 08:31 PM »
When I think of the passion that Ennis must have felt to do something so against his grain - homophobia, it just blows me away!  And from the look on Jack's face I quess it blew him away too!   

I think I read/heard somewhere here that, although this scene was not shot at the same time as Alma's reaction to it, Michelle wanted Heath and Jake to act out the scene for her so that her response would be true!  What a woman!

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« Reply #21 on: Apr 18, 2006, 04:28 PM »
I think I read/heard somewhere here that, although this scene was not shot at the same time as Alma's reaction to it, Michelle wanted Heath and Jake to act out the scene for her so that her response would be true!  What a woman!

Yep, that's true - she did. Apparently Jake and Heath starting cuddling and she shouted at them to do it properly :) Don't suppose there's too many women out there who would actively encourage their boyfriends to kiss another man just so they could do their jobs properly ;D

I love this scene so much.....especially the way Ennis nuzzles Jack at the end to let him know that he's only breaking things up temporarily. Not too hard to imagine how passionate things got once they closed the door in the motel room :o
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 18, 2006, 06:24 PM »
Don't suppose there's too many women out there who would actively encourage their boyfriends to kiss another man just so they could do their jobs properly ;D

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« Reply #23 on: Apr 22, 2006, 08:51 PM »
Well, since those two guys were wearing western clothing and more than likely would have been wearing Button Fly Levi's, it would not have taken them long at all to get undressed as soon as the closed the door of the room in the Riverton Motel Siesta.

Their shirts had snaps instead of buttons and it certainly does not take but a few seconds to shuck western shirts.
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« Reply #24 on: Apr 22, 2006, 09:39 PM »
I love the passion of the reunion scene, and the tenderness of the motel scene.  Did anyone notice that Ennis taps the ash off his cigarette a couple times?  Where is the ashtray?  :o  Is it resting on Jack's leg?  Ennis' leg?  the bed?  We only see them from the shoulders up...I would love to see what kind of position they were in to film this scene, lol.  Heath HAD to have been sitting between Jack's legs...of course I'm sure they were dressed below the waist, lol.  Interesting thought, don't y'all think?  ;D

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« Reply #25 on: Apr 23, 2006, 01:48 AM »
I love the passion of the reunion scene, and the tenderness of the motel scene.  Did anyone notice that Ennis taps the ash off his cigarette a couple times?  Where is the ashtray?  :o  Is it resting on Jack's leg?  Ennis' leg?  the bed?  We only see them from the shoulders up...I would love to see what kind of position they were in to film this scene, lol.  Heath HAD to have been sitting between Jack's legs...of course I'm sure they were dressed below the waist, lol.  Interesting thought, don't y'all think?  ;D

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Donna, Ennis was laying with his neck in Jack's arm pit resting his head on his shoulder.  The ash tray was on his stomach.

What I found interesting about this scene was Ennis' incredible sorrow when he said, "I doubt there's nothin' we can do.  I'm stuck with what I got here.  Makin' a living's about all I got time for now."  I put the word 'can' in bold because the screenplay underlined it to add emphasis.

There was a sound of hopelessness in this voice and eyes.  Yet, we know he loved his girls even if he didn't really love Alma all that much.  We also know he would never live with Jack so why such sorrow?  Even if he hadn't married what would he and Jack have done?  I just do not understand such extreme sorrow over those words.

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« Reply #26 on: Apr 23, 2006, 02:33 AM »
Patriot1 - I was actually thinking about this yesterday when I was reading the story and screenplay again. I feel that the sorrow in Ennis's voice at this point is because he's realised just how much he loves Jack - yes, he was in love when they left Brokeback, as the gut cramps scene showed, but in the intervening 4 years he's learned to live with it, assuming that he'd never see Jack again ("Didn't think I'd hear from you again - figured you was sore about that punch") But then Jack contacts him, they have their reunion kiss, they've probably (as someone said earlier) just had earth-shattering sex and then they're lying in each others arms as lovers do, with Jack whispering lots of romantic lines to him - and he feels hopeless because he wants so badly to feel this all the time but he knows that it's just not possible.

Seems to me that it's the only time that Ennis lets his guard down and voices real regret that a life with Jack isn't possible - until it's too late, anyway.
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« Reply #27 on: Apr 23, 2006, 03:14 PM »
Patriot1 - I was actually thinking about this yesterday when I was reading the story and screenplay again. I feel that the sorrow in Ennis's voice at this point is because he's realised just how much he loves Jack - yes, he was in love when they left Brokeback, as the gut cramps scene showed, but in the intervening 4 years he's learned to live with it, assuming that he'd never see Jack again ("Didn't think I'd hear from you again - figured you was sore about that punch") But then Jack contacts him, they have their reunion kiss, they've probably (as someone said earlier) just had earth-shattering sex and then they're lying in each others arms as lovers do, with Jack whispering lots of romantic lines to him - and he feels hopeless because he wants so badly to feel this all the time but he knows that it's just not possible.

Seems to me that it's the only time that Ennis lets his guard down and voices real regret that a life with Jack isn't possible - until it's too late, anyway.

When Ennis voices his sorrow about not being able to do anything about the situation, he is just staring into nothing.....like he can hardly deal with the words he speak to Jack himself.  In just a few hours, his feelings for Jack have been confirmed in his mind AND been stuffed away because he is unable to make any kind of commitment to Jack.  Of course, we know there is a lot more that Ennis says in the story that gives Jack a better explanation of what Ennis is saying, and also reassures Jack that Ennis does love him.  Sometimes when I hear Ennis say to Jack (when Jack asks Ennis if he thought they'd get caught up in this again) "Me.....I don't know", I want to shout at the screen, because this would be the time for Ennis to tell Jack exactly how he feels, as he does in the story. 

I wondered too where the ashtray was for Ennis to continue flicking his ash into.....I assumed it was on his stomach.  Funny the things that go through your mind when watching scenes!  I obsess about stuff like what's Ennis's face like when Jack says "I redlined it all the way.....", because we know he laughs, but I want to see him from the time Jack starts talking! 

 
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« Reply #28 on: Apr 23, 2006, 03:57 PM »
Funny the things that go through your mind when watching scenes!  I obsess about stuff like what's Ennis's face like when Jack says "I redlined it all the way.....", because we know he laughs, but I want to see him from the time Jack starts talking!  

Oh yeah - I'd love to have seen his face when Jack said that too....
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Re: Ennis and Jack's reunion - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #29 on: Apr 23, 2006, 04:57 PM »
I love the passion of the reunion scene, and the tenderness of the motel scene.  Did anyone notice that Ennis taps the ash off his cigarette a couple times?  Where is the ashtray?  :o  Is it resting on Jack's leg?  Ennis' leg?  the bed?  We only see them from the shoulders up...I would love to see what kind of position they were in to film this scene, lol.  Heath HAD to have been sitting between Jack's legs...of course I'm sure they were dressed below the waist, lol.  Interesting thought, don't y'all think?  ;D

Donna

Donna, Ennis was laying with his neck in Jack's arm pit resting his head on his shoulder.  The ash tray was on his stomach.

What I found interesting about this scene was Ennis' incredible sorrow when he said, "I doubt there's nothin' we can do.  I'm stuck with what I got here.  Makin' a living's about all I got time for now."  I put the word 'can' in bold because the screenplay underlined it to add emphasis.

There was a sound of hopelessness in this voice and eyes.  Yet, we know he loved his girls even if he didn't really love Alma all that much.  We also know he would never live with Jack so why such sorrow?  Even if he hadn't married what would he and Jack have done?  I just do not understand such extreme sorrow over those words.


  I think Ennis knows that he will NEVER be able to be with Jack the way Jack would want.  I really do think it makes him unbearably sad, but he feels like he really IS "Stuck"...he was just too homophobic and terrified of what happened to Earl, happening to them.  As much as he loved Jack, I guess his fear was stronger. 
This is the forest primeval.  The murmuring pines and the hemlocks, bearded with moss, and in garments green, indistinct in the twilight...but where are the hearts that beneath it leaped...