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Surreptitious Glances
« on: Feb 07, 2006, 02:22 PM »
It amazes me how the attraction between Ennis and Jack is shown so subtly throughout the entire movie.

Seeing the film last weekend, I found one such example which I did not notice in prior viewings.

Close to the beginning of the movie, Aguirre is giving out instructions to Ennis and Jack in his trailer.  Aguirre is interrupted by a phone call.  While Aguirre is on the phone, you see Ledger/Ennis stealing a glance at an unsuspecting Gyllenhaal/Jack while the latter has his head bowed.  When Ledger/Ennis looks away, you immediately see Gyllenhaal/Jack giving his now unsuspecting co-herder a surreptitious glance that is also so full of longing.  This exchange occurs in the short time when Aguirre is busy with the phone call!!!!

Just thought I wanted to share this.  Feel free to give similar examples. :)

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #1 on: Feb 07, 2006, 02:34 PM »
Same can be said of Ennis stealing glances over to Jack by his truck in the opening scene.  Of course Jack was much more obvious with his interest and glances there, but Ennis did return them, but in a more clandestine way.
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #2 on: Feb 07, 2006, 03:25 PM »
Same can be said of Ennis stealing glances over to Jack by his truck in the opening scene.  Of course Jack was much more obvious with his interest and glances there, but Ennis did return them, but in a more clandestine way.

On an entitrele different world, do you remember Ennis' frightening/guilty glances at Jack in the last meeting after he tells him that he can't see him until November?  I really thought Ledger was superb at this.  You can sense Ennis bracing for the storm to follow!!!

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #3 on: Feb 07, 2006, 03:39 PM »
Same can be said of Ennis stealing glances over to Jack by his truck in the opening scene.  Of course Jack was much more obvious with his interest and glances there, but Ennis did return them, but in a more clandestine way.

On an entitrele different world, do you remember Ennis' frightening/guilty glances at Jack in the last meeting after he tells him that he can't see him until November?  I really thought Ledger was superb at this.  You can sense Ennis bracing for the storm to follow!!!

Yes, with his nervous biting of his nails and rubbing his thumbs over the truck handle/trim....

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #4 on: Feb 07, 2006, 05:09 PM »
Why did Ennis have to be so damn unaccomodating, esp. after he drove 14 hours, what low blow. Jack bawlin in the truck made me bawl.
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #5 on: Feb 07, 2006, 05:11 PM »
Why did Ennis have to be so damn unaccomodating, esp. after he drove 14 hours, what low blow. Jack bawlin in the truck made me bawl.

Cowboy Cody, you reminded me to post this particular point.  Thanks!  Watch for it under BBM Questions.
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #6 on: Feb 07, 2006, 05:12 PM »
I was annoyed with Ennis after that too, I mean he could have said look after I take the girls back we can at least have coffee or something...
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #7 on: Feb 07, 2006, 05:34 PM »
Aguirre is on the phone, you see Ledger/Ennis stealing a glance at an unsuspecting Gyllenhaal/Jack while the latter has his head bowed.  When Ledger/Ennis looks away, you immediately see Gyllenhaal/Jack giving his now unsuspecting co-herder a surreptitious glance that is also so full of longing

Yes!  There is such subtlety in the beginning of the movie.  I haven't decided for myself whether there was immediate attraction for Ennis (jack, well duh).  But, the more I see it, the more I think there IS something between them from the beginning.  The beauty of this film:  it keeps unfolding with each watching.  That, with the fact that nothing is unintentional.  Perfect.

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #8 on: Feb 07, 2006, 05:39 PM »
Aguirre is on the phone, you see Ledger/Ennis stealing a glance at an unsuspecting Gyllenhaal/Jack while the latter has his head bowed.  When Ledger/Ennis looks away, you immediately see Gyllenhaal/Jack giving his now unsuspecting co-herder a surreptitious glance that is also so full of longing

Yes!  There is such subtlety in the beginning of the movie.  I haven't decided for myself whether there was immediate attraction for Ennis (jack, well duh).  But, the more I see it, the more I think there IS something between them from the beginning.  The beauty of this film:  it keeps unfolding with each watching.  That, with the fact that nothing is unintentional.  Perfect.

me too......... i caught ennis & jack starring @ each other in aguirre's trailer in my 2nd view. It shook me. Wow they were after-all attracted right from beginning. (nevertheless - not mentioning the shots outside aguirre's trailer. )
I also caught - jack missing ennis on his first night out @ mountain in my 2nd view. The way - he peeps @ Ennis' tent which is so far - down away.  Wow - again something happenned inside my stomach. So many details i get to know each time - i watch this movie. Amazing.


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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #9 on: Feb 07, 2006, 07:05 PM »
Ok. So you are Jack.  And you come back to work for Aguirre for another summer and you pull up to the trailer, and whoa! What do we have here? Jack does what what any red blooded gay man does.  Sneaks a peek or two.  he hit the jackpot. 
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #10 on: Feb 08, 2006, 06:07 AM »
Close to the beginning of the movie, Aguirre is giving out instructions to Ennis and Jack in his trailer.  Aguirre is interrupted by a phone call.  While Aguirre is on the phone, you see Ledger/Ennis stealing a glance at an unsuspecting Gyllenhaal/Jack while the latter has his head bowed.  When Ledger/Ennis looks away, you immediately see Gyllenhaal/Jack giving his now unsuspecting co-herder a surreptitious glance that is also so full of longing.  This exchange occurs in the short time when Aguirre is busy with the phone call!!!!
Yes!  :D  tpe, thanks for starting this thread. We have a similar eye for detail. I pointed out those subtle glances to others and they said I was reading too much into the movie. (Those glances are not in the screenplay.) That phone call scene always makes me smile.  :) So much subtle communication at Aguirre's trailer. I love how Ennis very quickly peeks out at Jack from under the brim of his hat, and how Jack boldly leans on his truck and checks out Ennis (altho' nothing subtle there!).

On an entitrele different world, do you remember Ennis' frightening/guilty glances at Jack in the last meeting after he tells him that he can't see him until November?  I really thought Ledger was superb at this.  You can sense Ennis bracing for the storm to follow!!!
Yes, I love how Ennis fidgets nervously in that final scene. Heath was just fantastic there.

While we're on that scene, this is going OT a bit -- but I noticed something interesting in that final meeting scene that I haven't seen discussed. The camera angle is used to show the huge gulf that's grown between Jack and Ennis. When Ennis says "lighten up on me Jack", Jack is in the foreground slightly out of focus and Ennis in the background, then the camera moves to Jack's left then to his right, starkly illustrating the space between them as Ennis seems to shift from one side to the other. Then when Jack says "All we got now is Brokeback Mtn" he is all the way on the right side of the picture, with the vast cold mountains filling the rest of the screen. Again implying the distance between them. The attention to detail in this film is just amazing!

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #11 on: Feb 08, 2006, 08:30 AM »
Yes!  :D  tpe, thanks for starting this thread. We have a similar eye for detail. I pointed out those subtle glances to others and they said I was reading too much into the movie. (Those glances are not in the screenplay.) That phone call scene always makes me smile.  :) So much subtle communication at Aguirre's trailer. I love how Ennis very quickly peeks out at Jack from under the brim of his hat, and how Jack boldly leans on his truck and checks out Ennis (altho' nothing subtle there!).

Yes, I love how Ennis fidgets nervously in that final scene. Heath was just fantastic there.

While we're on that scene, this is going OT a bit -- but I noticed something interesting in that final meeting scene that I haven't seen discussed. The camera angle is used to show the huge gulf that's grown between Jack and Ennis. When Ennis says "lighten up on me Jack", Jack is in the foreground slightly out of focus and Ennis in the background, then the camera moves to Jack's left then to his right, starkly illustrating the space between them as Ennis seems to shift from one side to the other. Then when Jack says "All we got now is Brokeback Mtn" he is all the way on the right side of the picture, with the vast cold mountains filling the rest of the screen. Again implying the distance between them. The attention to detail in this film is just amazing!


justlikethisalways, ypu are right about th final scene.  Also, did you notice that in the last scene, you don't see them  looking eye-to eye.  When Ennis looks to Jack, Jack is usually has his back facing him and his gaze looks across the lake/river.  When Jack truns and looks at Ennis, Ennis in many cases turns his back to Jack.  It is like in the early scenes, but the glances are so charged with pain and regret that it is so painful to watch...

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #12 on: Feb 08, 2006, 08:48 AM »
Oh goody, another excuse for me to discuss at length other things I love about this film.....the looks and smiles between Jack and Ennis during their "getting to know each other" period.  There are so many, but I just love the looks exchanged between them during the "that's the most you've said in two weeks" scene.  By this point, they're really comfortable with each other, have settled into their little routine, and this was during their "after dinner" rest before Ennis went up to sleep on the mountain.  I think Ennis is kind of embarrassed, to find himself wanting to talk, because he enjoys Jack's company so much.

The other look I love is when Ennis shoots the moose (? is it a moose, I'm sorry, if not!) - Jack's all "yee hah" and Ennis has "that" look on his face, kind of enjoying this little bit of fun - just another element of being with each other.  Love it.
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #13 on: Feb 08, 2006, 08:55 AM »
Oh goody, another excuse for me to discuss at length other things I love about this film.....the looks and smiles between Jack and Ennis during their "getting to know each other" period.  There are so many, but I just love the looks exchanged between them during the "that's the most you've said in two weeks" scene.  By this point, they're really comfortable with each other, have settled into their little routine, and this was during their "after dinner" rest before Ennis went up to sleep on the mountain.  I think Ennis is kind of embarrassed, to find himself wanting to talk, because he enjoys Jack's company so much.

The other look I love is when Ennis shoots the moose (? is it a moose, I'm sorry, if not!) - Jack's all "yee hah" and Ennis has "that" look on his face, kind of enjoying this little bit of fun - just another element of being with each other.  Love it.

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #14 on: Feb 08, 2006, 01:10 PM »
Same can be said of Ennis stealing glances over to Jack by his truck in the opening scene.  Of course Jack was much more obvious with his interest and glances there, but Ennis did return them, but in a more clandestine way.

This is what I would term Jack sussing out Ennis.  In the homophobic protocol of our society, there are situations men are just not supposed to look.  I figure I'm only going to live once so I observe, surreptitiously but d*** sometimes it is noticed.  With Jack and Ennis it was a good thing.

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #15 on: Feb 08, 2006, 01:20 PM »
Close to the beginning of the movie, Aguirre is giving out instructions to Ennis and Jack in his trailer.  Aguirre is interrupted by a phone call.  While Aguirre is on the phone, you see Ledger/Ennis stealing a glance at an unsuspecting Gyllenhaal/Jack while the latter has his head bowed.  When Ledger/Ennis looks away, you immediately see Gyllenhaal/Jack giving his now unsuspecting co-herder a surreptitious glance that is also so full of longing.  This exchange occurs in the short time when Aguirre is busy with the phone call!!!!
Yes!  :D  tpe, thanks for starting this thread. We have a similar eye for detail. I pointed out those subtle glances to others and they said I was reading too much into the movie. (Those glances are not in the screenplay.) That phone call scene always makes me smile.  :) So much subtle communication at Aguirre's trailer. I love how Ennis very quickly peeks out at Jack from under the brim of his hat, and how Jack boldly leans on his truck and checks out Ennis (altho' nothing subtle there!).

On an entitrele different world, do you remember Ennis' frightening/guilty glances at Jack in the last meeting after he tells him that he can't see him until November?  I really thought Ledger was superb at this.  You can sense Ennis bracing for the storm to follow!!!
Yes, I love how Ennis fidgets nervously in that final scene. Heath was just fantastic there.

While we're on that scene, this is going OT a bit -- but I noticed something interesting in that final meeting scene that I haven't seen discussed. The camera angle is used to show the huge gulf that's grown between Jack and Ennis. When Ennis says "lighten up on me Jack", Jack is in the foreground slightly out of focus and Ennis in the background, then the camera moves to Jack's left then to his right, starkly illustrating the space between them as Ennis seems to shift from one side to the other. Then when Jack says "All we got now is Brokeback Mtn" he is all the way on the right side of the picture, with the vast cold mountains filling the rest of the screen. Again implying the distance between them. The attention to detail in this film is just amazing!


Yes, I love how Ennis, during their final scene after telling Jack he couldn't see him until November, starts to bite his nails nervously and look away.  That's very cute.  It's almost like he knows how Jack will react.  It was very 'married couple' type stuff I thought.  Very sweet as Ennis is usually the dominant one but he became like a little kid nervously awaiting Jack's response. 
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #16 on: Feb 08, 2006, 01:57 PM »
It amazes me how the attraction between Ennis and Jack is shown so subtly throughout the entire movie.

Seeing the film last weekend, I found one such example which I did not notice in prior viewings.

Close to the beginning of the movie, Aguirre is giving out instructions to Ennis and Jack in his trailer.  Aguirre is interrupted by a phone call.  While Aguirre is on the phone, you see Ledger/Ennis stealing a glance at an unsuspecting Gyllenhaal/Jack while the latter has his head bowed.  When Ledger/Ennis looks away, you immediately see Gyllenhaal/Jack giving his now unsuspecting co-herder a surreptitious glance that is also so full of longing.  This exchange occurs in the short time when Aguirre is busy with the phone call!!!!

Just thought I wanted to share this.  Feel free to give similar examples. :)

The first three times I saw the film I couldn't figure out why that phonecall was there...Aguirre didn't say anything during or after it that had to do with anything, but on my fourth viewing I figured it out...yes it is so that Ennis and Jack can steal glances  ;) It is just brilliant
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #17 on: Feb 08, 2006, 02:02 PM »
Same can be said of Ennis stealing glances over to Jack by his truck in the opening scene.  Of course Jack was much more obvious with his interest and glances there, but Ennis did return them, but in a more clandestine way.

This is what I would term Jack sussing out Ennis.  In the homophobic protocol of our society, there are situations men are just not supposed to look.  I figure I'm only going to live once so I observe, surreptitiously but d*** sometimes it is noticed.  With Jack and Ennis it was a good thing.

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But that is what also makes Jake G so very good in this film..we can all ( well some peeps don't see it but not my problem) see them looking and checking eachother out several times before the first sex. But then when Ennis is washing himself and is starkers, what does Jack do? He DOESN'T look...and Jake makes it soo good, you can tell he is trying damn hard not to turn his head, but I bet he saw what he wanted despite of that...
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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #18 on: Feb 08, 2006, 02:38 PM »
Jack NOT looking at Ennis washing - one of the most brilliant and tense moments of the movie.  It is so SUBTLE.  It would be tempting to make his desire to look even bigger and that's where Ang's direction and Jakes acting come together for perfection.  I sound like a broken record, but it is the subtlety of the film that is its magnificence!

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #19 on: Feb 08, 2006, 03:03 PM »
It is so true what Jake sayd to jay Leno, it's the things tht aren't sayd that makes this such a great film...
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 08, 2006, 03:40 PM »
The unspoken parts are every bit as powerful as the words that float around our heads as we make sense of our crazy mixed up worlds.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 08, 2006, 09:22 PM »
Same can be said of Ennis stealing glances over to Jack by his truck in the opening scene.  Of course Jack was much more obvious with his interest and glances there, but Ennis did return them, but in a more clandestine way.

On an entitrele different world, do you remember Ennis' frightening/guilty glances at Jack in the last meeting after he tells him that he can't see him until November?  I really thought Ledger was superb at this.  You can sense Ennis bracing for the storm to follow!!!

Finally got the full impact of that on my fifth viewing...Ennis was truly not wanting to upset Jack...I think it was even more than bracing for the storm...I really believed that Ennis was so very sorry he had to disappoint Jack once again.  It gave me a bit more clarity into the depth of feeling Ennis truly has for Jack.

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #22 on: Feb 08, 2006, 09:35 PM »
I don't mean to play the devil's advocate here, but I don't believe that Ennis initially had any attraction for Jack, whereas Jack was instantly attracted to Ennis.  Watch Jack's intense look.  Look @ Jack's pose, leaning against his truck.  That man's body language reeks of sexuality.  Almost too hot to handle. 

I interpreted nothing from Ennis's initial glances @ Jack outside of Joe Aguirre's trailer or inside.  I believe it was a mixture of shyness, boredom and curiosity.

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« Reply #23 on: Feb 08, 2006, 09:52 PM »
It is so true what Jake sayd to jay Leno, it's the things tht aren't sayd that makes this such a great film...

I think this is one of the reasons a couple of my friends said that the movie was OK, but not great, but the scenery was pretty. My only thought was "Geez, what movie did you see?"

After thinking about it, they aren't the type to see or appreciate the subtleties, they need everything to be laid out for them, presented to them without them having to think about it.

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Re: Surreptitious Glances
« Reply #24 on: Feb 08, 2006, 10:15 PM »
I loved the movie and have seen it 4x so far.  However, I stand that I don't believe there was an initial attraction for Jack by Ennis in the initial Joe Aguirre's trailer scene.   Ennis is very slow to warm.

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« Reply #25 on: Feb 08, 2006, 10:18 PM »
I loved the movie and have seen it 4x so far.  However, I stand that I don't believe there was an initial attraction for Jack by Ennis in the initial Joe Aguirre's trailer scene.   Ennis is very slow to warm.

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« Reply #26 on: Feb 12, 2006, 10:23 PM »

But that is what also makes Jake G so very good in this film..we can all ( well some peeps don't see it but not my problem) see them looking and checking eachother out several times before the first sex. But then when Ennis is washing himself and is starkers, what does Jack do? He DOESN'T look...and Jake makes it soo good, you can tell he is trying damn hard not to turn his head, but I bet he saw what he wanted despite of that...

True -- if you look closely you can see that even though Jack is smoking a cigarette at the time, he swallows hard, trying to concentrate on *not* looking over at Ennis.  Great work by Jake.

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« Reply #27 on: Feb 13, 2006, 12:15 AM »
they could have been just checking each other out in Aguirre's office to see who the heck they had to spend the summer with--or why one is herder and one is tender/ it may  not have been sexual....

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« Reply #28 on: Feb 13, 2006, 03:47 AM »
I so too loved the scene where Ennis has to disappoint Jack by not seeing him until November.  Ledger is amazing in this scene...all nervous and apprehensive, knowing that what he's got to say will upset Jack. 

Another point to this scene is, even though Ennis is disappointing Jack, he's still trying to placate Jack....."lighten up on me Jack"....."we can still meet in November, I'll try and get us that cabin again, we had a good time that year, didn't we?".  It is just so sweet how he's trying to give Jack something, which is really hard for Ennis to do.

It just wasn't enough for Jack though...."there ain't ever enough time"........ :'( :'( 

Just an amazing scene.....heartbreaking and cruel.   

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« Reply #29 on: Feb 25, 2006, 02:21 PM »
Didn't interpret the trailer scene meeting that way...What I saw was 2 guys appraising each other as probable, and I hate to use this word, companions for the summer.  Is he a good worker, looks strong, will he share the job, etc.  Someone mentioned Jack posing by his truck, leg tucked up against it, was probably a natural pose for a person at that time, not as suggestive as in an open meat market type of scene.  We can see Ennis in the mirror, but can Jack?  Given the angles, maybe not.  Seems like Jack would be looking at his own shoulder and face.  Given the pace of the film itself don't know if the first meeting would be that obvious... maybe later after they had spent some time together, you have to consider that their time on the mountain was not days, but weeks.     
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