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Some of my unanswered questions are?
1.  Where did Jack and Ennis spend the first night after they finished the day before they were trucked up to the jump off?  Ift doesn't say in the movie or the book.  Could Ennis afford a motel?  Was there a motel in that town?  Where did they go all day and night?

2.  Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback?  How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long?  And why didn't he ever tell him?

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #1 on: Feb 13, 2006, 12:25 AM »
Here are my answers to your questions.

1.  Well they did go to the Bar for beer, so maybe spent most of the day there and the night in Jack's truck, maybe?  I'm pretty sure both couldn't afford a motel, unless of course Jack could then I'm sure he would have asked Ennis to stay with him.  I think there must have been a motel, because in Riverton, after the reunion both end up in one.  So if Riverton can have a motel then I believe Signal could have had one.  As a last resort one of them would have pitched a pup tent on the Q.T somewhere.

2.  Jack wanted something of Ennis to keep as a memento of their love or time together in Brokeback.  Remember Ennis was going to get married when they came down the mountain.  Remember cameras were not freely available back then.  Jack was a romantic and wanted to hold on to something of Ennis.  Why Jack never told Ennis, well Ennis wouldn't understand it and also, remember Ennis never admitted to himself that he was gay and he also never admitted to himself that he was in love with a man, who was Jack.  Remember the last embrace scene, Ennis came from behind and hugged Jack.  Can you imagine what it would be like if Jack were to tell him, ya, I'm crazy in love with you and I took your shirt.  The shirt represented Jack's love for Ennis.  If Ennis took up Jack's offer and moved back to the ranch he could have found out but Ennis never did until too late.  Jack kept it to himself hoping Ennis would open his eyes one day and see what was in front of him, not the shirts but Jack, giving all his love to him and waiting for Ennis to be free.  As to how can anyone keep a secret like that, well Jack proved he can.  When one is in love they do crazy things.

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #2 on: Feb 13, 2006, 06:48 AM »
Some of my unanswered questions are?
1.  Where did Jack and Ennis spend the first night after they finished the day before they were trucked up to the jump off?  Ift doesn't say in the movie or the book.  Could Ennis afford a motel?  Was there a motel in that town?  Where did they go all day and night?

2.  Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback?  How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long?  And why didn't he ever tell him?


In the book Ennis doesn't realised he lost his shirt until weeks later, at the end when he finds the shirt in Jack's room, he tough he had lost long ago in a damn laundry.
remember also the wooden horse on the desk was a gift from Ennis, he made during the rainy days back in 63.
Jack kept alot of secret : quote from the motel scene: You do with other guy's Jack?
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #3 on: Feb 13, 2006, 07:24 AM »

2.  Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback?  How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long?  And why didn't he ever tell him?


Here's another one -- where did Ennis's second shirt come from?  Every single time we see him from the start of the movie, he's wearing the same shirt (*the* shirt).  It doesn't seem like they packed a lot of extra clothes for the summer, either, since we see Jack washing his out in the river naked.  Then, after the fight when they're coming down the mountain, suddenly Ennis has a new shirt that looks a lot like his original one.  Jack is still wearing his blue shirt.  I didn't notice that Ennis's shirt was different at first, and really wondered how Jack got it off him to steal and keep, so I guess having his new shirt look as similar to the first one as possible was a conscious costuming decision.  I had to go back and verify that there was some sort of logical chance for Jack to get the shirt.  But if you only had one (or two I guess), wouldn't you keep a closer watch on where your clothes went?  ;)

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #4 on: Feb 13, 2006, 07:33 AM »
But also have you notice that Jack always wore a T-shirt and when he comes down the mountain with Ennis, he wears a hankerchief around his neck, maybe to disguise the shirt, but as the book stated he  Ennis tough he had lost the shirt in a damn laundry long long while ago.
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #5 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:00 AM »
Jack kept Ennis' shirt???? really?? what shirt is that??

at the end doesn't Ennis find the shirt that Jack was wearing and had blood on it from Ennis' nose???

I remember Ennis' left his shirt on the mountain but i dont remember seeing what happened to it..??
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #6 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:18 AM »
Jack kept Ennis' shirt???? really?? what shirt is that??

at the end doesn't Ennis find the shirt that Jack was wearing and had blood on it from Ennis' nose???

I remember Ennis' left his shirt on the mountain but i dont remember seeing what happened to it..??


Hello Merags,

Have you seen the movie? Read the book even ???..genuine question... ::)

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #7 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:21 AM »
um yes i have seen the movie 3 times..??

i remember ennis saying 'i cant believe i left my shirt on the mountain' or something like that, but i dont remeber jack taking it? someone explain to me, what part is it?? maybe im just dumb and forget haha
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #8 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:28 AM »
um yes i have seen the movie 3 times..??

i remember ennis saying 'i cant believe i left my shirt on the mountain' or something like that, but i dont remeber jack taking it? someone explain to me, what part is it?? maybe im just dumb and forget haha

We never see Jack taking them..but we guess when Ennis goes to see Jack's parents and finds the bloody shirts hidden behind the closet..then takes them away with him, and gives his final line "Jack I swear" in front of them!
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #9 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:31 AM »
um yes i have seen the movie 3 times..??

i remember ennis saying 'i cant believe i left my shirt on the mountain' or something like that, but i dont remeber jack taking it? someone explain to me, what part is it?? maybe im just dumb and forget haha

We never see Jack taking them..but we guess when Ennis goes to see Jack's parents and finds the bloody shirts hidden behind the closet..then takes them away with him, and gives his final line "Jack I swear" in front of them!

wait.. so are you saying ennis' shirt was with jack's shirt in his room at the end?
like jack took the shirt and ennis found his shirt with jack's in his room at the end? if thats what you're saying why the hell didn't i pick that up!? omg..  :-[  that makes me even sadder and angry that i didnt pick that up..
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #10 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:33 AM »
erm...how shall I put it...

You are pulling my leg right?
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #11 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:34 AM »
no im serious.. i honestly didnt see that  :-[
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #12 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:37 AM »
OK, but have you read the short story, coz if you haven't ...

step 01: get dressed, put on your coat;
step 02: get out of the house, office;
step 03: go to the nearest bookstore, library;
step 04: borrow or buy Close Range;
step 05: as you walk back home or to the office start reading..towards the end, when he goes to visit Jack's parents!;
step 06: come back onto the forum.
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #13 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:38 AM »
OH MY GOD I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT!!

like i said before i have a version of it on my computer and just looked at that part... ohh myy

ennis' shirt is inside of Jack's ohhh my god, i didnt notice that THAT was Ennis'.. holy crap... then at the end his shirts on top of Jack's oh God oh God, I honestly didnt realize that was Ennis' shirt, ughh thats even more sad :( oh i love this movie even more now and i hate myself for being dumb and not noticing that UGGH!!!  >:(
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:39 AM »
Extract from Brokeback Mountain...

The bedroom, at the top of a steep stair that had its own climbing rhythm, was tiny and hot, afternoon sun pounding through the west window, hitting the narrow boy's bed against the wall, an ink-stained desk and wooden chair, a b.b. gun in a hand-whittled rack over the bed. The window looked down on the gravel road stretching south and it occurred to him that for his growing-up years that was the only road Jack knew. An ancient magazine photograph of some dark-haired movie star was taped to the wall beside the bed, the skin tone gone magenta. He could hear Jack's mother downstairs running water, filling the kettle and setting it back on the stove, asking the old man a muffled question.
The closet was a shallow cavity with a wooden rod braced across, a faded cretonne curtain on a string closing it off from the rest of the room. In the closet hung two pairs of jeans crease-ironed and folded neatly over wire hangers, on the floor a pair of worn packer boots he thought he remembered. At the north end of the closet a tiny jog in the wall made a slight hiding place and here, stiff with long suspension from a nail, hung a shirt. He lifted it off the nail. Jack's old shirt from Brokeback days. The dried blood on the sleeve was his own blood, a gushing nosebleed on the last afternoon on the mountain when Jack, in their contortionistic grappling and wrestling, had slammed Ennis's nose hard with his knee. He had staunched the blood which was everywhere, all over both of them, with his shirtsleeve, but the staunching hadn't held because Ennis had suddenly swung from the deck and laid the ministering angel out in the wild columbine, wings folded.

The shirt seemed heavy until he saw there was another shirt inside it, the sleeves carefully worked down inside Jack's sleeves. It was his own plaid shirt, lost, he'd thought, long ago in some damn laundry, his dirty shirt, the pocket ripped, buttons missing, stolen by Jack and hidden here inside Jack's own shirt, the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one. He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands.
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #15 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:40 AM »
OH MY GOD I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT!!

like i said before i have a version of it on my computer and just looked at that part... ohh myy

ennis' shirt is inside of Jack's ohhh my god, i didnt notice that THAT was Ennis'.. holy crap... then at the end his shirts on top of Jack's oh God oh God, I honestly didnt realize that was Ennis' shirt, ughh thats even more sad :( oh i love this movie even more now and i hate myself for being dumb and not noticing that UGGH!!!  >:(

Bless your heart...you are not an idiot...now you can enjoy BBM again, with new eyes..enjoy

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours????? - Possible spoilers
« Reply #16 on: Feb 13, 2006, 12:15 PM »
thanks for the excerpt, and now im so excited to see it again knowing what i know, i almost got teary eyed just realizing that it was his shirt.. oh my! thanks so much for helping me out ur my bbm saviour lol!!  ;)
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 13, 2006, 12:18 PM »
thanks for the excerpt, and now im so excited to see it again knowing what i know, i almost got teary eyed just realizing that it was his shirt.. oh my! thanks so much for helping me out ur my bbm saviour lol!!  ;)

My pleasure..I'm glad I could help...enjoy BBM ;)
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 13, 2006, 05:18 PM »
But also have you notice that Jack always wore a T-shirt and when he comes down the mountain with Ennis, he wears a hankerchief around his neck, maybe to disguise the shirt, but as the book stated he  Ennis tough he had lost the shirt in a damn laundry long long while ago.

interesting point...i have to pay attention next time i see the movie....i always wondered where the shirt was if jack took it.  didn't see jack with a bag or anything....in the beginning or even in the end...

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours????? - Possible spoilers
« Reply #19 on: Feb 13, 2006, 09:02 PM »
Some of my unanswered questions are?
1.  Where did Jack and Ennis spend the first night after they finished the day before they were trucked up to the jump off?  Ift doesn't say in the movie or the book.  Could Ennis afford a motel?  Was there a motel in that town?  Where did they go all day and night?

2.  Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback?  How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long?  And why didn't he ever tell him?



1) Oddly enough I never really thought about it....silly me just assumed Aguirre paid for a room for the night.  LOL....as if that happend huh?
2) For twenty years Jack tried desperately to have a life with Ennis but couldn't.  Ennis always held back most of himself from Jack...hence that one small part that Ennis could not withhold....the shirt Jack had in his possession.  Often when leaving their "fishing trips" Jack would mention going to "Lightning Flat"...i.e. to his parents house.  Can't you just see him...after their time together had ended...just like on BBM...he once again returned to the shirts...to relive his time with Ennis???   :'(  :'(

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #20 on: Feb 13, 2006, 10:11 PM »
But also have you notice that Jack always wore a T-shirt and when he comes down the mountain with Ennis, he wears a hankerchief around his neck, maybe to disguise the shirt, but as the book stated he  Ennis tough he had lost the shirt in a damn laundry long long while ago.

Jack was also wearing the kerchief around his neck when he was waiting for Ennis at the camp the day Ennis encountered the bear and got back late. Jack took it off to dip it into the pot of water to try to clean Ennis' wound on the side of his face.

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« Reply #21 on: Feb 13, 2006, 10:22 PM »

2.  Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback?  How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long?  And why didn't he ever tell him?


Here's another one -- where did Ennis's second shirt come from?  Every single time we see him from the start of the movie, he's wearing the same shirt (*the* shirt).  It doesn't seem like they packed a lot of extra clothes for the summer, either, since we see Jack washing his out in the river naked.  Then, after the fight when they're coming down the mountain, suddenly Ennis has a new shirt that looks a lot like his
original one.  Jack is still wearing his blue shirt.  I didn't notice that Ennis's shirt was different at first, and really wondered how Jack got it off him to steal and keep, so I guess having his new shirt look as similar to the first one as possible was a conscious costuming decision.  I had to go back and verify that there was some sort of logical chance for Jack to get the shirt.  But if you only had one (or two I guess), wouldn't you keep a closer watch on where your clothes went?  ;)

The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.

Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #22 on: Feb 13, 2006, 10:36 PM »

2.  Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback?  How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long?  And why didn't he ever tell him?


Here's another one -- where did Ennis's second shirt come from?  Every single time we see him from the start of the movie, he's wearing the same shirt (*the* shirt).  It doesn't seem like they packed a lot of extra clothes for the summer, either, since we see Jack washing his out in the river naked.  Then, after the fight when they're coming down the mountain, suddenly Ennis has a new shirt that looks a lot like his
original one.  Jack is still wearing his blue shirt.  I didn't notice that Ennis's shirt was different at first, and really wondered how Jack got it off him to steal and keep, so I guess having his new shirt look as similar to the first one as possible was a conscious costuming decision.  I had to go back and verify that there was some sort of logical chance for Jack to get the shirt.  But if you only had one (or two I guess), wouldn't you keep a closer watch on where your clothes went?  ;)

The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.

Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours?????
« Reply #23 on: Feb 13, 2006, 10:44 PM »


The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.

Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.

Chrissy

You got it Chrissy!  I share this with you  :'(



Yeah......pass the Kleenex. Again.

I wish I had bought stock in Kimberly-Clark or any other tissue manufacturer before BBM was released.

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« Reply #24 on: Feb 13, 2006, 11:09 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 15, 2006, 10:17 PM »


The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.

Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.

Chrissy

You got it Chrissy!  I share this with you  :'(



Yeah......pass the Kleenex. Again.

I wish I had bought stock in Kimberly-Clark or any other tissue manufacturer before BBM was released.

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours????? - Possible spoilers
« Reply #26 on: Apr 27, 2006, 08:53 AM »
1. What did Ennis dream about after Jack's death?

2. Would there be someone else in Ennis' life that would touch him the way Jack did?

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours????? - Possible spoilers
« Reply #27 on: Apr 27, 2006, 09:58 AM »
1. What did Ennis dream about after Jack's death?

2. Would there be someone else in Ennis' life that would touch him the way Jack did?

I reckon he dreamt about all of their time together. Annie Proulx says when he dreamt he would sometimes wake up with the sheets damp and sometimes the pillow so he was obviously not just dreaming about the love and intimacy, but also the times that he let Jack down and the chances that were missed.

I don't think Ennis would ever find anyone to replace Jack - even if he had become more accepting of who and what he was, nothing could ever replace the love of his life, his soulmate.
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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours????? - Possible spoilers
« Reply #28 on: Apr 27, 2006, 10:40 AM »
he was obviously not just dreaming about the love and intimacy, but also the times that he let Jack down and the chances that were missed.

I also think he was dreaming about how Jack died (the spoon handle morphing into a tire iron).  It must have been so painful for Ennis to even dream about this.

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I don't think Ennis would ever find anyone to replace Jack - even if he had become more accepting of who and what he was, nothing could ever replace the love of his life, his soulmate.

Yes.  This is probably close to the heart of his 'I swear', at least IMO.

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Re: My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours????? - Possible spoilers
« Reply #29 on: Apr 27, 2006, 12:20 PM »
Totally hypothetical, I know, but my big "unanswered question" at the moment is, if Jack had lived, would he have met Ennis again in November? Given the whole "Brokeback is all we got.." scene, the pain that Ennis is in "I'm nothing.....I'm nowhere.......I can't stand this anymore...." and the look on Jacks face as Ennis' trailer drives away........was Jack going to give up and let Ennis go? Would he have gone for second best with Randall? I noticed that it was Ennis that sent the postcard to Jack about November (that came back stamped "Deceased").....would Jack have replied?
We'll never know.......sigh!
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