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I really, really enjoyed Crash, but my GOD it isn't in the same league as BBM!

Agree with you on that one.
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I really, really enjoyed Crash, but my GOD it isn't in the same league as BBM! 

Agree with you on that one.

"Crash" seems to be one of those movies that people either love or hate.  The LA Times even had an article about the emotions the film stirs up, I'll see if I can find it.

 


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"Crash" seems to be one of those movies that people either love or hate.  The LA Times even had an article about the emotions the film stirs up, I'll see if I can find it.

It would be interesting to read yes, Crash did make me think a lot, sooooo not like BBM and it did stir up something. I can't say I hate it, it just disturbed me in a way.
I see racism everyday, whethere it is from homophobes or ignorance...I deal with it, and try to educate some children at the same time, but sometimes it's hard.
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I really loved "Crash". I think it's a beautiful film. With some amazing sequence like the daughter with her father.. !!
 Maybe a little politic film, but it's a intelligent film who talk about racism, rich or poor, religion ... I mean life... !!  :)

But, I think anyway that BBM must win this award. ;)

<OT> But.... For best actor, I think Joaquin must win. I'm not saying that Heath Ledger shouldn't win of course !!  But.. I think Joaquin give us a most powerfull role acting. 
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This is the LA Times article Froggy:


Differing Views of Race in L.A. Collide in 'Crash'[/b]

The Oscar-nominated film's depiction of a city seething with mistrust inspires fans and critics.

By Cara Mia DiMassa, Times Staff Writer
March 2, 2006


Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton has seen the film three times, and encouraged the deputy chief in charge of LAPD's professional standards to pass copies around the department. But Joe Hicks, the longtime African American community activist, believes the movie so distorts the state of race relations that it could hurt Los Angeles' reputation.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa loved the movie. His lawyer, a former member of the county Human Relations Commission, hated it.

"Crash" opened 10 months ago, but it continues to resonate across Los Angeles for reasons that have little to do with the six Oscars it is up for Sunday.

The movie has become something of a Rorschach test for Angelenos, separating those who believe the city's multicultural residents usually get along and those who feel race relations remain an open wound. Is the Los Angeles of "Crash" an accurate depiction of racial strife lurking just below the surface, or is it a cartoonish collection of stereotypes presented as the real L.A.? It's a debate that has played out at dinner tables, in classrooms and online.

While previous films about race relations in Los Angeles, such as "Grand Canyon" and "White Men Can't Jump," focused on main characters who stood for racial tolerance even when society did not, "Crash" offers about a dozen loosely based stories with few heroes.

A young black man complains when a white woman clutches her purse as she walks by him, then carjacks her SUV. An LAPD officer goes on a racist rant against a black employee of an HMO and later saves the life of a black woman. An Iranian shop owner is the victim of a hate crime and takes his anger out on a Latino locksmith. A Latina police detective and a Korean woman exchange racial epithets after a fender bender.

To its fans, "Crash" offers a raw, unsentimental but ultimately honest view of race in Los Angeles.

"There's nothing I saw depicted there that I've not experienced in my own years of policing, that my wife has not," Bratton said in an interview last week. "Just under the surface there is, unfortunately, a tension."

Since he became police chief nearly four years ago, no issue has more consumed Bratton than the fragile relationship between his department and African Americans. He's been called a racial healer and a racist as he grappled with an officer's fatal shooting of a 13-year-old black boy and the videotaped beating of a black car-chase suspect that some compared to the Rodney King assault a decade earlier. More recently, his department has been dealing with reverberations from racial tensions between blacks and Latinos in the county jails and at several high schools.

"It's like a scab that doesn't get to heal and it gets picked at and comes right to the surface," the chief said. "The relationship between the city's African American community and the Police Department is a clear example of that."

The film's fans praise it for challenging the popular notion that as Los Angeles becomes more diverse, it also becomes more tolerant.

Jamal Watkins, Western regional director of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, said that despite milestones such as Villaraigosa's election last year as the city's first Latino mayor in modern times, Los Angeles is still a city divided by class and race. "Crash," he said, captures that.

"People live in their own enclaves, whether insulated by class or wealth or status. A part of the challenge is that we are expected to merge together, meld together in the workplace, the classroom," he said. "What the movie shows is that all of the issues around race, stereotypes and prejudice have not died out — because we have these enclaves within the city."

The movie's critics acknowledge that racism and divisions remain in Los Angeles. But they argue that "Crash" is over the top in its portrayal of a city always on the verge of exploding with racial resentment. Some are particularly turned off by the explicit dialogue in which many conversations between characters of different races devolve into ugly exchanges of prejudice and stereotyping.

"L.A. is a different place to me," said Melany de la Cruz, assistant director of the Asian American Studies program at UCLA, adding she didn't recognize the city depicted on the screen.

De la Cruz, a Filipina who is engaged to a Latino, said she feels race relations have improved since the 1992 riots — but one would not know that by watching the film.

She remembers attending a march in Koreatown marking the 10th anniversary of the riots and how proud she felt that Koreans, whites, blacks and Latinos joined to try to heal old wounds.

After the riots, "coalitions and organizations sprang up … so there's no longer such polarity," she said.

Activist Hicks, vice president of Community Advocates Inc. and former head of the local chapter of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, said "Crash" presents a Los Angeles where most people are filled with prejudice and vitriol, such as the wealthy Brentwood housewife who assumes her Latino locksmith is a gang member.

"What it says about L.A. is something that is completely untrue about the kind of human relations we experience in this city," Hicks said. "It is looking at things, viewing them from some distortion, presenting things as they want them to be to feed into some political agenda."

"Crash" director and co-screenwriter Paul Haggis said he knew the film would touch a nerve because it challenged the conventional wisdom about race in Los Angeles.

"I knew if we did it right it would get under people's skin, and they would react one way or the other," Haggis said in an e-mail from France, where he is working on his next film. "So it doesn't bother me when people say they hate it for this reason or that. It got to them, it made them look at something they would rather not have looked at, so the movie succeeded, at least for me."

Haggis, who was inspired to write the film years after having his own car stolen at gunpoint, said he finds that those who are most critical of the movie see it as an attack on multiculturalism in the city.

"They tend to be upper-middle class liberals, of any color, as those are the people, like myself, I was writing about," he said. "We like to think we are good people, that we champion the underdog and that if there really were race and class problems in our city — or any city — we would have fixed them….

"But the truth is that we live in a society where fear still resides under the Hockney-colored surface," Haggis added, referring to the British painter.

On one Internet message board, Haggis' view of Los Angeles was much debated — with the majority seeming to support it. "I don't understand why everyone doesn't love the movie 'Crash,' " wrote one poster on imdb.com. "It shows an emotional and powerful idea of racism in L.A."

But when Todd Boyd, a professor at USC's School of Cinema-Television who specializes in race and popular culture, screened the movie for a class of about 250 students, most felt the movie was unrealistic.

"When you see these characters as they come on the screen, they are familiar because they are so stereotypical, not because they are real," Boyd said.

Jaime Regalado, director of the Edmund G. "Pat" Brown Institute of Public Affairs at Cal State L.A., said the visceral reactions provoked by the film are largely because it deals with issues of hatred that people prefer not to talk about.

Regalado enjoyed "Crash," but his three adult sons each had differing opinions that they've debated endlessly. His oldest son said he recognized in the movie "a place we call home." His youngest son thought it was too stereotypical to be real. His middle son fell somewhere in between.

But not all "Crash" fans are pessimists about race relations in Los Angeles.

Villaraigosa said in an interview last month that his election showed how far the city has come to bridge racial gaps. He carried not only the Latino vote but also the Jewish vote, a majority of the San Fernando Valley and nearly half the black vote.

Still, the mayor has said he believes "Crash" has become a catalyst for important conversation among Angelenos about issues of race and ethnicity.

"We talk about race every day, except we do it within our own group," he said on ABC's "Nightline." "There's very little opportunity to talk about race and ethnicity between groups."



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oh dear..it's a long one..I'm way too tired to read this now, but thanks for posting it...

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oh dear..it's a long one..I'm way too tired to read this now, but thanks for posting it...

You don't need a long article to put you to sleep - at 25 minutes to 2 you must be dead tired. It'll still be here tomorrow. 




 

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If Brokeback doesn't win for Best Picture (heresy!), I have to say I wouldn't mind if Good Night and Good Luck won. I saw it yesterday, and it was excellent, thought-provoking stuff. You should all try to watch it if you have the chance.

Still cheering for Brokeback, though. If Crash wins.... >:( it would be the only film about prejudice that wins by benefitting from prejudice. Astonishing.
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[...]
"When you see these characters as they come on the screen, they are familiar because they are so stereotypical, not because they are real," Boyd said.
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"We talk about race every day, except we do it within our own group," he said on ABC's "Nightline." "There's very little opportunity to talk about race and ethnicity between groups."

Reading this article made me re-live the movie. I selected those two quotes because that's what I was thinkingt about, at the end of the movie.

Thank you very much for posting this.
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[...]
"When you see these characters as they come on the screen, they are familiar because they are so stereotypical, not because they are real," Boyd said.
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"We talk about race every day, except we do it within our own group," he said on ABC's "Nightline." "There's very little opportunity to talk about race and ethnicity between groups."

Reading this article made me re-live the movie. I selected those two quotes because that's what I was thinkingt about, at the end of the movie.

Thank you very much for posting this.x Froggy

Two good quotes Froggy.  The first one also stood out when I first read it, because "Crash" is really a parody of racism and not a snapshot of LA life as the film's promoters want us to believe.  And that's where the film does a disservice, because people argue about the film but don't talk about racism.

The second quote is also very very true.  I don't think racism is honestly even discussed within groups - it's a pariah word like homosexuality.  Comments are thrown here and there but no deep discussions.  My hope is that some film maker will create a movie that will help get the real discussion started.   


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Hey everyone!  I'm just waching E! and they are saying crash is creeping up on the cowboys.......No way Brokeback can lose, it's the best movie of the year, the best actors, and the subject matter was so beautifully done!  I saw Crash, it was a good movie, but after seeing Brokeback, it has stuck with me every day of m life!  It has this effect on you, a definite Oscar winning movie!
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Hey everyone!  I'm just waching E! and they are saying crash is creeping up on the cowboys.......No way Brokeback can lose, it's the best movie of the year, the best actors, and the subject matter was so beautifully done!  I saw Crash, it was a good movie, but after seeing Brokeback, it has stuck with me every day of m life!  It has this effect on you, a definite Oscar winning movie!

Hello heathjake (love the name), thanks for posting your thought. We are all hoping that BBM is the one to win. Crash will be "crashed" at the Oscar.
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Crash will be "crashed" at the Oscar.   

LOL   Great phrase Ethan!!!

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Hey everyone!  I'm just waching E! and they are saying crash is creeping up on the cowboys.......No way Brokeback can lose, it's the best movie of the year, the best actors, and the subject matter was so beautifully done!  I saw Crash, it was a good movie, but after seeing Brokeback, it has stuck with me every day of m life!  It has this effect on you, a definite Oscar winning movie!

E! wants us to keep watching.  I may go to BBM this evening...
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All this hype about crash is just wishful thinking. BBM cannot be stopped  8)

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E! wants us to keep watching.  I may go to BBM this evening...   

Exactly, it's hype.  Who is the best at creating hype but Hollywood and E is Hollywood.  E has some really poor interviewers and poor producers feeding them lines.

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I really don't understand where all this so called buzz for crach is based on... It was not that great a movie, just one with a bunch of story lines coming together, which is not something very original if you ask me...

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a word or two on the Private Ryan upset.  Yes, released too early and it was a difficult movie to watch and horribly flawed, whereas Shakespeare was smart, well written and fun.  And like BBMT, people could watch it over and over. 

There will be no crash upset.  It was released too early, it was a difficult movie to watch and horribly flawed.

(Though I think BAFTA got it right giving Thandie the award.)

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God Dammit..
this lousy article i found came true.

I curse Crash for all eternity.

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Let us face it.  How many of us like America anyway??   Gays are oppressed in this country.

I am much more excited about the British Academy choosing BBM.   

I am happy that the American Academy gave BBM Best Director and Best _ Screenplay.    Crash was selected purely for its political impact.

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Yes tonight will be the night that one talks about for many years.
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they just don't want brokeback to be a symbol for the Gay\Lesbian\ communities around the world, being straight myself i think that brokeback was the best of all those movies and Crash won Give me a break!!!

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Crash wins=voting against Brokeback subject matter. Pathetic.
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I don't know how to tell but... this result do not surprise me. I didn't seen Crash  but I always considered that BBM would not wins. We must fix it.
Even if lukewarmly received BBM never had a full social/political approval and sometime I saw some sarcastic label referred to the cowboy gay which means, in my opinion, the social refusal to go truly inside this story.
Anyway I don't want to be to pessimist. We got three Oscar.   ;)

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that's the result...

they won't accept that!

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WHY, WHY, WHY!!!!!  Hollywood is in big timeout!  We aren't speaking!  The Academy can go to bed without their supper and write 1000 sentences "We will honour cinematic excellence even when it deals with a controversial topic that makes us uncomfortable, and give praise where praise is due."  At least Her Britannic Majesty's subjects honoured Jake with the Bafta.  God Save the Queen(s)!  Titus the  >:(
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