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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #120 on: Mar 06, 2006, 09:51 PM »
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #121 on: Mar 06, 2006, 09:53 PM »
BBBoy - You just go right ahead FRIEND!

We all know what a joke tony curtis is. Nothing like old, used up and thinking you are king...oh wait that was Capote, but at least Tru had TALENT. Not gonna mistake that anytime soon with tony.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #122 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:01 PM »
If  the academy didn't liike a movie about two gay cowboys they won't like my idea of two gay marines finding love on the battlefield.  The movie would open up with two men leaving the ranch after getting drafted into the Marines.....irt would be a period piece.

I can picture John Wayne rollong over in his grave right now. 

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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #123 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:06 PM »

Other than the list I placed my name on briefly this morning, this is my first post since Saturday night.

I watched the Oscars live from a room with about 20 people last night. When Jake didn't win, we were
all very dissapointed. Then Heath didn't win. We saw a pattern forming. The Score won and hope was
renewed, allthough one person complained that the same song throughout the film was annoying. Then
Ang won Best Director. The room was energized and we thought that we just might see history in
the making by a gay themed film winning best picture. It lost. The problem we had was what it lost
to: Crash.

Apparently the Academy can relate to inner-city strife and violence more than a love different than what
they find on mindless prime time television. Give us poverty, racial tension, gangs and explosions.

How screwed up is that?

Every single BBM cast and crew member has won the highest award I can give them: several theater
ticket purchases, a soundtrack & poster purchase and when the DVD is released, multiple purchases
for myself and gifts for others that either would or could not see it in the theater.

Crash will remain an uninteresting and unviewed film on my part.





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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #124 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:06 PM »
Wasn't Tony Curtis in a Roman period movie with homo-erotic undertones?  I think he had to live down a lot of grief for it,  the lady did protest too much.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #125 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:14 PM »
LOL The lady protested WAY too much! ;D ;D ;D
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #126 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:19 PM »
I watched the show last night sharing with all of you here. I saw what I expected to see, Heath, Jake and Michelle losing. When Crash won I was stunned but swallowed and thought well it's ok. It's Hollywood. I've spent the day reading posts here and going elsewhere to see what others are saying, just trying to be rational about the whole thing. Well, tonight I'm cooking supper and I just lost it. Sobbing, tears and snot all over my face. They still hate us. They still don't want to accept that we are real. THEY can accept us if we are a joke, the hairdresser, the interior decorator, the florist, the dancer. THEY can't accept that we are one with them, in every walk of life, on every economic level. WE are not freaks of nature. WE are a part of the whole human experience. I would not change who and what I am for anything. Live hasn't been easy for me but I wouldn't have lived it any other way.

Just ranting, excuse me.


Rant away, BBBOY, we are here for you, man.
Thanks for posting this BBBOY, you are helping me get in touch with my sorrow and rage. And when that happens, I turn to my friend Annie Proulx: "...an accumulation of very small details gives the film authenticity and authority: Ennis's dirty fingernails in a love scene, the old highway sign ENTERING WYOMING not seen here for decades, the slight paunch Jack develops as he ages, the splotch of nail polish on Lureen's finger in the painful telephone scene, her mother's perfect Texas hair, Ennis and Jack sharing a joint instead of a cigarette in the 1970's, the switched around shirts, the speckled enamel coffeepot, all accumulate and convince us of the truth of the story. People may doubt that young men fall in love up on the snowy heights, but no one disbelieves the speckled coffeepot, and if the coffeepot is true, so is the other."

To Tony Curtis and the other members of the academy who refused to see this movie: F**k you and your irresponsibility to your craft!!
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #127 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:21 PM »

Other than the list I placed my name on briefly this morning, this is my first post since Saturday night.

I watched the Oscars live from a room with about 20 people last night. When Jake didn't win, we were
all very dissapointed. Then Heath didn't win. We saw a pattern forming. The Score won and hope was
renewed, allthough one person complained that the same song throughout the film was annoying. Then
Ang won Best Director. The room was energized and we thought that we just might see history in
the making by a gay themed film winning best picture. It lost. The problem we had was what it lost
to: Crash.

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Apparently the Academy can relate to inner-city strife and violence more than a love different than what
they find on mindless prime time television. Give us poverty, racial tension, gangs and explosions.

How screwed up is that?
Every single BBM cast and crew member has won the highest award I can give them: several theater
ticket purchases, a soundtrack & poster purchase and when the DVD is released, multiple purchases
for myself and gifts for others that either would or could not see it in the theater.

Crash will remain an uninteresting and unviewed film on my part.



Not to meention a rap song won best song?

Why wasn't "a love that will never gorw old" even nominated?
There were only 3 songs nominated?
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #128 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:25 PM »
Thanks for posting this BBBOY, you are helping me get in touch with my sorrow and rage. And when that happens, I turn to my friend Annie Proulx: "...an accumulation of very small details gives the film authenticity and authority: Ennis's dirty fingernails in a love scene, the old highway sign ENTERING WYOMING not seen here for decades, the slight paunch Jack develops as he ages, the splotch of nail polish on Lureen's finger in the painful telephone scene, her mother's perfect Texas hair, Ennis and Jack sharing a joint instead of a cigarette in the 1970's, the switched around shirts, the speckled enamel coffeepot, all accumulate and convince us of the truth of the story. People may doubt that young men fall in love up on the snowy heights, but no one disbelieves the speckled coffeepot, and if the coffeepot is true, so is the other.

To Tony Curtis and the other members of the academy who refused to see this movie: F**k you and your irresponsibility to your craft!!
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Boy did you just say it all! I have a silly question here. I just noticed that laureen appears under both our names. What is that all about? The number of posts? It's all I can figure.
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #129 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:27 PM »
I have a feeling that Annie Proulx wanted to maintain her privacy and didn't want any photos.  I was disappointed that they did not show her. 

That is what I think so too. It shows how important BBM is to her. Kudos to Annie Proulx. It is definitely something to be proud of.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #130 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:29 PM »
BBBoy - You just go right ahead FRIEND!

We all know what a joke tony curtis is. Nothing like old, used up and thinking you are king...oh wait that was Capote, but at least Tru had TALENT. Not gonna mistake that anytime soon with tony.
Now, now Cowboy...ya gotta admit he looked pretty good in those dresses in "Some Like it Hot". But of course, Jack Lemmon was waaayyy better ;)
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« Reply #131 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:33 PM »
Wasn't Tony Curtis in a Roman period movie with homo-erotic undertones?  I think he had to live down a lot of grief for it,  the lady did protest too much.

Uh, RAB?  Which sword-and-sandal epic DIDN'T have homoerotic undertones?   ;D

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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #132 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:34 PM »
I think some of you have possibly hit the nail on the head.

Brokeback Mountain wasn't an "acceptable" gay film because it didn't ridicule or parody the homosexuality or present it in a cosy, predictable setting.  Masculinity was on the line, marriage was shown up as a sham, mainstream America might take offence at the "gay bashing" overtones.  Hollywood seems to like a good dose of fantasy to make itself feel secure.  Brokeback Mountain was probably far more realistic than the Star Elite cared for, and it was overlooked.  Still, there's the little matter of a solid box office, critical acclaim, and overseas award which fly in the face of the Oscars and has the whole world going "what the??".
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #133 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:43 PM »
Wasn't Tony Curtis in a Roman period movie with homo-erotic undertones?  I think he had to live down a lot of grief for it,  the lady did protest too much.

Uh, RAB?  Which sword-and-sandal epic DIDN'T have homoerotic undertones?   ;D

oops, duh, huh, clueless.........should I go on?  You're right, even "Quo Vadis" was hot in an S&M sort of way.  Not that I'm into that, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #134 on: Mar 06, 2006, 10:50 PM »
BBBoy,
Yes it is based on the number of posts. I certainly wouldn't choose to be Lureen.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #135 on: Mar 06, 2006, 11:01 PM »
Tony Curtis looked more like Aunt Tilly than a swingin' syncopated jazz musician.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #136 on: Mar 06, 2006, 11:27 PM »
So which member of your family did Jack Lemmon look like? And what about Marilyn?? :D
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« Reply #137 on: Mar 06, 2006, 11:40 PM »
<OT> but anyone on my fathers side.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #138 on: Mar 06, 2006, 11:43 PM »
Tony was beautiful when he was young. Very talented, smart..big star. He was part of Some Like it Hot, Defiant Ones, and Boston Strangler among others. I think age has a great deal to do with the Academy obviously snubbing BBM...mainly folks in their 60s, 70s, and 80s not wanting the Cowboy (i.e., American mystic) revealed for the myth it is. Only 40 years ago, people of different races were assigned different rest rooms. There were clear indicators that older Academy members were not even viewing the film (that explains the Cinematography snub, too). A reporter was interviewed on the Signorelli show today discussing that she knew in early February that Crash would win. With the Crash marketing blitz, offerring a picture to welcome the anti-BBM crowd..that was the end of the BBM victory ride. But, it was a great ride for a few months throughout the western world anyway, wasn't it?  :). As long as Annie, Ang, Dianna and the whole cast and crew responsible for BBM know how grateful we and others are, maybe they will not be too saddened by this turn of events. 
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« Reply #139 on: Mar 06, 2006, 11:50 PM »
Hey everyone.  This isn't the best way to introduce myself, but this is my first post on this amazing web site.   I guess it's as good a place as any to vent, but last night's travesty has me disappointed, frustrated, upset and really bummed out.  I am totally, totally happy that the movie has been as recognized as it has, with the oscars it did win and the countless other ways it's been acknowledged.  There's just something so...symbolic about losing Best Picture when it seemed, from so many sources, so likely. 

In the end, it doesn't lessen the importance of the movie...but in a way it really feels like a slap, like a big ole roadblock to show how much the movie could be allowed to be celebrated.  I've posted on IMDB about how I don't hate Crash, it's not as simple as the racism movie vs. the homophobia movie.  It's just now reading this mess about Stony Curtis not seeing the movie because it's 'not unique' or how it would make someone roll over in their grave or whatever.  Jeez lousie, this from a man who practically gets seduced in Spartacus.  It's like I just wanna sigh and shake my head, and on the other hand, I'm pissed and I wanna be with other people who can relate.

So, whew!  Thanks for letting me vent some there.  So much nicer than having to report troll after troll for their stupid comments.  Beliieve me, I'm usually really nice! 
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« Reply #140 on: Mar 06, 2006, 11:54 PM »
Juan - WELCOME HOME! You will love the company we keep here. This is one big Brokie Family! Look forward to your other posts as well!
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« Reply #141 on: Mar 07, 2006, 01:28 AM »
from USA today (Jack did vote for BBM)

What you saw: Surprise! Crash takes best picture.


What you didn't see: Backstage workers gasp as Crash wins over favorite Brokeback Mountain. When presenter Jack Nicholson is asked if he is surprised by the win, he says, "I didn't expect it because you heard so much about Brokeback," before confiding, "and that's who I voted for." But he cheerfully escorted Crash director Paul Haggis away.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #142 on: Mar 07, 2006, 02:20 AM »
If  the academy didn't liike a movie about two gay cowboys they won't like my idea of two gay marines finding love on the battlefield.  The movie would open up with two men leaving the ranch after getting drafted into the Marines.....irt would be a period piece.

I can picture John Wayne rollong over in his grave right now. 


didn't a bunch of marines just get busted for doing porn on the internet.  and what do 19 year old boys do away from their girlfriends, etc. in iraq for a year??  19 yr and 20 yr. old kids with raging hormones.  i have wondered that for a long time.  i am an old woman-but that is not a natural situation for guys at their peak of horniness-so what do they do?  an interesting question.

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« Reply #143 on: Mar 07, 2006, 02:31 AM »
Don't you find it strange Clint Eastwood was not attending the ceremony yesterday?  Normally he should have been the one to present the Best Director Award.  He was not looking very happy at the Golden Globes when had to present his award to Ang.

There are some people in the film industry I would like to correspond with, just to know what they think of this situation...


I was wondering about that myself; he is working on a film though and may not have been able to get to L.A. for the Awards.
i just read his 94 yo dad died 2 weeks ago and he is mourning or something like that

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« Reply #144 on: Mar 07, 2006, 02:33 AM »
Bitter Old Queen, yup that pretty much sums up Tony Curtis. And to top it off...HIS FREAKIN Daughter (the wonderful Jamie Lee Curits) is JAKE GYLLENHAAL's God Mother!
i wrote this nasty letter to tony curtis  that is his e mail address i got automated response
To: tonycurtis@tonycurtis.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:30 PM
Subject: are you drinking again or just stupid and ignorant i am 58 yr. old sober woman and


am ashamed of your horrible statements about a movie you never saw.  you have the nerve, as a parent and a drunk who supposedly let a higher power in your life to judge and  think you are above tolerance.  you are disgusting and i hope that people are as intolerant of you and your legacy will be one of hoplessness, gay bashing ( i am 58 yr. old married woman) and an idiot who wouldn't even go see a movie before he judged it and opened his big fat old mouth to dis something he never saw.  for goodness sake your daughter is jakes godmother, you pig.
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« Reply #145 on: Mar 07, 2006, 02:34 AM »
I watched the show last night sharing with all of you here. I saw what I expected to see, Heath, Jake and Michelle losing. When Crash won I was stunned but swallowed and thought well it's ok. It's Hollywood. I've spent the day reading posts here and going elsewhere to see what others are saying, just trying to be rational about the whole thing. Well, tonight I'm cooking supper and I just lost it. Sobbing, tears and snot all over my face. They still hate us. They still don't want to accept that we are real. THEY can accept us if we are a joke, the hairdresser, the interior decorator, the florist, the dancer. THEY can't accept that we are one with them, in every walk of life, on every economic level. WE are not freaks of nature. WE are a part of the whole human experience. I would not change who and what I am for anything. Live hasn't been easy for me but I wouldn't have lived it any other way.

Just ranting, excuse me.
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« Reply #146 on: Mar 07, 2006, 03:00 AM »
It’s devastating to see Brokeback Mountain not winning the best picture award. However, I was more ticked off by seeing Crash won the biggest award of the night. My boyfriend and I were saying “please … anything but Crash” before the announcement. And to our horror … it did win.

I really don’t hate the movie Crash but I wasn’t impressed or inspired by it. It over dramatised the situations and at the same time over simplified its characters. It reminds me of the Anti-Discrimination training movies I saw at work. By trying to show the ugliness of racial stereotyping, the movie was doing exactly the same time, putting every race in the box. Being an Asian myself, I was particularly offended by the little air time of the Asian character in the movie (at most 2 lines?). And the movie was supposed to be based in L.A., right? Simply put, I just don’t get it.

Not only Brokeback Mountain is an excellent movie, it’s also an important movie. It is destined to become one of those milestone movies of all time. As time passes and when people look back, this is going to one of the biggest jokes in the history of the Academy Awards. My conclusion: this “gong show” does not deserve a movie like Brokeback Mountain!

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« Reply #147 on: Mar 07, 2006, 03:13 AM »
Given what has been said regarding the improper voting activities...it would mean that their vote is meaningless.  Therefore, BBM remains the winner!  (at least in my opinion). 

We humans have a tendency denying things when they do not fit into our world.  We can deny ourselves the chance for love by allowing the past to paralyze us.  Any healing that takes place starts somewhere.  I believe BBM was the focal point of healing for many of us.   Unfortunately there remains those whose healing process has been delayed by their fears (the members of the academy).  We can not be like those who fear our sexuality.  We must step above our anger and hurt feelings and embrace forgiveness.  Forgiveness does not imply acceptance or approval but it does release us from the past.  Without forgiveness we remain under the power of the person(s) or situation(s) we have found ourselves. 

Let us all lift our heads up proudly for who we are and show the world that we are united.  If we remain determined to feel angry and wronged, we can easily fit the definitions of those who fear us.  Love is here...in our hearts...let us continue to share what we have gained from BBM.  We stand together.





What very wise words drbill, thank you for sharing them :)

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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #148 on: Mar 07, 2006, 04:42 AM »
Peoples. We do need to move past this.  Yes, winning Best Picture would have symbolised so much.  And many of us have taken the loss as a personal kick in the guts.  But we can't turn back time. As always, we "homosexuals" have to take stock and move forward with the strength that has seen us through so many other struggles.  A long time ago I learned that I don't need acceptance from anyone else to feel good about myself.  So what, Tony Curtis and some other old fogies on a voting panel didn't like the film enough to get it across the line.  My best friend is so pro-gay (she's straight) but she felt the movie could have been structured better and done with one more trip through the edit suite.  I value her opinion - it doesn't make her a homophobe. There could be a thousand reasons why Brokeback "lost". One of them might be a sense of homophobia in Hollywood. All I know is that I agree with my friend, the film was perhaps just shy of the greatness it needed to take home THE oscar. But I love it wholeheartedly.  Let's not get carried away by taking the oscar fiasco as a personal affront. Personally, I think the Academy lost it years ago. And I don't need their approval to love a film.
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Re: Your Thoughts & Reactions from Academy Awards
« Reply #149 on: Mar 07, 2006, 05:29 AM »
I agree with your comments, we need to get over it, however it would be nice if people such as Jay Leno would stop making jokes about BBM, such as this evening he personally attack Ang lee, I am Canadian, but there was no need to attack another culture the way he did , extremely arrogant.
 it was so insulting that I can't  even mention it here, that is how distasfull it was, hope no one ever founds out but I know and one of these days he will regret ever having said these words.

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